Most likely counterfeit Meissen Vase

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Lavrentii, May 22, 2024.

  1. Lavrentii

    Lavrentii Active Member

    Want to share with you this vase. It is 19 cm white porcelain vase with beautiful flower decoration. Flowers and branches are damaged.
    So I bought it for 3 pounds. It was for five, I asked for discount because of damages.

    There is bluer Meissen mark on the bottom.
    I bought it because of few facts for me.
    It is beautiful, and colours of decor is beautiful, really old style colours. It is hand painted very accurate, and also there is high-quality color transitions, shades.
    Plus markings. I understand that most likely this is a fake, since their markings are always of high quality, as is the product. And really it is not looks like swords
    But I love old fakes, like a piece of history. Especially high quality ones. Or maybe I'm wrong. What ideas do you have about this?

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  2. Lavrentii

    Lavrentii Active Member

    Here is three marks much more closer than Meissen marks.
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  3. Lavrentii

    Lavrentii Active Member

  4. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I agree that it's not Meissen, but I don't think it's pretending to be. I wouldn't call it fake, or counterfeit; just a nice vase by some other maker. Sorry, but I can't help with who.
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  5. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    It could also be a blurred John Bevington mark
    and he's known for copying the style of Meissen
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  6. Lavrentii

    Lavrentii Active Member

    Yes, absolutely could be. Thanks! And it is British maker. That doesn't change anything for now, but I bought this one in England, so it make a sense.
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  7. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    blimey, haggling in a charity shop over £2 :jimlad:
  8. Lavrentii

    Lavrentii Active Member

    Well, the charity shop system is quite interesting. I bring a lot of things there and buy a lot of things. Sometimes I overpay, sometimes I underpay. But in order to judge an action, you need to be either the person who did the action, or God, in order to know everything about it. So yes, sometimes I bargain. Sometimes I buy gold jewelry for 50 pennies because that’s how much it’s valued. When I buy from people's collections, or am asked to appraise something for the purpose of selling, I am happy to quote the market price and advise on how best to sell the item. But if an item has a tag on it and it's been worth three weeks according to the tag and still hasn't sold, then they usually lower the price every week. The decision to ask for a discount or not is always individual.
  9. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    poor show if you ask me, when the money is going to a charity and the vase is worth £5

    never known or seen anybody haggle in a charity shop before

    i could understand if they were asking a lot of money for it !
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  10. Lavrentii

    Lavrentii Active Member

    Well, I respect your point of view. Let's settle for this. So many people, so many opinions.
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  11. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    yeah no worries, i'm not having a go. Its just a bit unsportsmanlike
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  12. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    You may be right. A quick google image search shows that he produced a lot of wares with applied decoration.

    As for haggling at a charity shop: I figure it's 3 quid in their pocket rather than no quid if it doesn't sell. These days, however, more and more people are buying at thrift/charity shops and dollar stores because more and more people can't afford the necessities like food. I donate to and buy from thrift stores, but I always make sure to get my senior discount!;)
  13. Lucille.b

    Lucille.b Well-Known Member

    People routinely haggle at Charity shops in my town (U.S.) when something has damage.

    Has any of us ever purchased something at a Charity shop that we positively knew when we purchased it that the Charity had listed too low? And all proceeds were benefiting the charity? Yet we didn't call their attention to it? But instead couldn't get our money out fast enough and get out of the store?

    Reselling is an interesting business.
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  14. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I've been known to pay more than they're asking in some stores. In the Ill Will, they're lucky to get any money out of me at all because they perpetually overcharge for junk. I've seen $3 pricetags on takeout containers that should have been in the recycling instead of on the shelf. I only haggle when something is damaged and worth only "pieces" value instead of full price.
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