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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Any Jewelry, post: 11435407, member: 2844&quot;]The crest is more of a family symbol, like a Japanese Mon. Families that are not aristocratic can also have family crests. For instance, in Scotland every clan has a clan crest. The families related to or derived from a clan have crests that are derived from the original clan crest.</p><p>Btw, no one expects you to know the ins and outs of the complicated European heraldry system. Most Europeans don&#039;t know either, I certainly don&#039;t.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=";)" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>My own family has a family crest, but my ancestors were considered &#039;patricians&#039;, a typical Dutch phenomenon. Patricians were commoners who made sure the town or country was organised, without an aristocrat lining his pockets.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/biggrin.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":D" unselectable="on" /> Patricians had to seal documents, so they had to have a crest.</p><p><br /></p><p>The thistle isn&#039;t necessarily Scottish, it can appear in crests across Europe. And a London maker doesn&#039;t imply the owner lived in London. Well-to-do people commissioned silver from reputable silver makers. Those makers could live in another town. Besides, many rich people from around the UK owned town houses in London.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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