Featured NAPOLEON BONAPARTE SPAIN EMPEROR SPOON ?

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  1. SUPERJUNK1970

    SUPERJUNK1970 Active Member

    The Mark's are around the end of napolean era where NAPOLEON conquered Spain and appointed his brother emperor of spain.
    I read that his brother order a set of lavish cutlery from a famed maker and I wonder if this could be part of that set. I saw a spoon that had the exact mark on the reverse that SUPPOSEDLY was from the set but I have no clue on how to go about proving it or verify it.
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  2. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    what marks are these ? do they fit the years when Joseph Bonaparte was Spanish king ?
     
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  3. SUPERJUNK1970

    SUPERJUNK1970 Active Member

    The very top one does.
    Someone told me that the spoon maker could be
    Paul de lamier. A very rare coveted silversmith that was known to be a favorite among the elite.
    The spoon is in the rococo style.
    The mark in middle looks like another of his Mark's with the crown and letters PA.
    IF you look at top cartouche. On bottom left by edge on spoon there is a Mark resembling PL , ALSO the back shows like a chicken scratch but it's more like a old conjoined.. 20210302_145506.jpg 20210302_145555.jpg
     
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  4. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    sounds that you fell for a foul story. first of all there is no Paul de Lamier; probably a made-up story to increase value it hasn't. there is the well-known Paul de Lamerie, who - although of French ancestry - worked in London . I do not think that anybody of the Bonaparte family would have dared to order anything in London.
     
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  5. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Can't quite make out the initials and symbol(s) in the lozenge-shaped maker's mark, but if you are referring to the silversmith Paul de Lamerie, he was a Dutch-born English maker of French descent who worked from 1712-51, the head in the chamfered rectangle is a 1st standard (.950) French mark used 1819-38, the oval mark looks to be a re-import guarantee from the same period. Joseph Bonaparte was King of Spain from 1808-13, after two years as King of Naples - by the time this spoon was made, he was living in the U.S. Have no idea what the other mark is, if it even is a mark...


    http://www.silvercollection.it/frenchhallmarks.html


    ~Cheryl
     
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