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<p>[QUOTE="Dawnno, post: 581466, member: 10171"]I need the best "devil's advocate" opinions that you have on this object. </p><p><br /></p><p>The picture allegedly features, as sold, an 'Apache dog tag' marked "D 35"; I've done quite a bit of research on the subject and can neither prove nor disprove that this is such a tag, because they are so rare. Archeologists and historians documented a handful at best, and examples from SW sites have been 'absconded' with or lost and the few that exist relate to what are known as "band tags" loosely equivalent to a ration/ID tag which are smaller, marked by a letter for the 'band' of the tribe and a sequential number for each male of warring age in that band , and have obverse markings also. Shape of the tag identified the reservation. [ATTACH=full]174775[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]174776[/ATTACH]</p><p>What is more intriguing is that hand made tags were issued to Apache prisoners during the Apache Indian Wars (ca 1875) before boarding trains for Fort Marion in FLA as prisoners, and a Cowan's Auction photo documents two such Apache prisoners wearing virtually identical shaped tags. None are known to exist. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]174777[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The tags appear to be high copper content brass with punched numbering and a letter and weathered patina. I have found similarities between it and Charleston slave tags, in material and shape, and am relatively confident that age of the tag is consistent with turn of the 20th C or earlier. [ATTACH=full]174778[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The prior collector allegedly obtained these in the late 20th C from a network of N.Am . collectors in AZ. In short, probably 'treasure hunters.'</p><p><br /></p><p>Assume this is not such a prisoner tag. What else were tags used for that would look like that and are hand punched? Hotel keys, industrial tool and machinery markers, livestock? Anybody recognize the use of the tag in some industry other than POWs?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Dawnno, post: 581466, member: 10171"]I need the best "devil's advocate" opinions that you have on this object. The picture allegedly features, as sold, an 'Apache dog tag' marked "D 35"; I've done quite a bit of research on the subject and can neither prove nor disprove that this is such a tag, because they are so rare. Archeologists and historians documented a handful at best, and examples from SW sites have been 'absconded' with or lost and the few that exist relate to what are known as "band tags" loosely equivalent to a ration/ID tag which are smaller, marked by a letter for the 'band' of the tribe and a sequential number for each male of warring age in that band , and have obverse markings also. Shape of the tag identified the reservation. [ATTACH=full]174775[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]174776[/ATTACH] What is more intriguing is that hand made tags were issued to Apache prisoners during the Apache Indian Wars (ca 1875) before boarding trains for Fort Marion in FLA as prisoners, and a Cowan's Auction photo documents two such Apache prisoners wearing virtually identical shaped tags. None are known to exist. [ATTACH=full]174777[/ATTACH] The tags appear to be high copper content brass with punched numbering and a letter and weathered patina. I have found similarities between it and Charleston slave tags, in material and shape, and am relatively confident that age of the tag is consistent with turn of the 20th C or earlier. [ATTACH=full]174778[/ATTACH] The prior collector allegedly obtained these in the late 20th C from a network of N.Am . collectors in AZ. In short, probably 'treasure hunters.' Assume this is not such a prisoner tag. What else were tags used for that would look like that and are hand punched? Hotel keys, industrial tool and machinery markers, livestock? Anybody recognize the use of the tag in some industry other than POWs?[/QUOTE]
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