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Hi,
I found this bowl (see pics) buried in my back yard on Amelia Island FL. This area had been the site of a Spanish Mission, if that helps. It's glazed terracotta so we are thinking maybe Talavera Mexico in origin? But I can't match the pattern to anything remotely like it. One pattern looks like a lotus blossom so maybe Asian influence? It measures 23 1/4 inches across. Thank you in advance for any help identifying it.
Neil

 

Would/could you post a photograph of the bottom?

Debora

 

Yes, be right back!
Thank you.

 

that's really nice !!!!

 

It's what's called a cuenco, by way.

Debora

 

Bottom Pics

 

European, or at least, not Mexico, imo. Might be North African.

 

What I was thinking. Spain owned Florida until 1819 and I'd imagine ties remained for a long while thereafter. That said,I know not much about pottery from that era.

 

Could be Talavera, from Spain or México. Someone more knowledgable than I should be able to provide direction based on the color of the clay.

Debora

 

Hm. Can we have a side on close up of the clay please?

 

I don't know but thought I'd give you what I've got. You might try using lebrillo as a search term for flat bottom basins. I didn't find anything yet that I think defines it.

I have a rather good book by the Listers' Maiolica Olé Spanish and Mexican Decorative Traditions that has good info on pottery from about the 17th-19thC. I don't see anything I'd say was the same but I'll show some that have some elements. They also have a chart showing Chinese designs adapted by some Mexican potters.

You might try a museum in Florida or a state or regional archaeologist. Here is a possible museum to try.
https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/typeceramics/types/

Also a bowl from the MFA/Boston that has some similar type (not same) design elements.

From, Maiolica Olé





From, MFA Boston
https://collections.mfa.org/objects/670900/


Basin (lebrillo)
Attributed to: Damián Hernández (Mexican, born in Spain, active 1607 – 1670)
1650–1670
Object Place: Puebla de los Ángeles, Mexico
MEDIUM/TECHNIQUETin-glazed earthenware (talavera)

 

Thank you all for your continued help! Here is a pic of the clay. I stacked the two smaller pieces to show as much as possible.

 

Does the close up of the clay give anyone any new ideas?
Thanks,
Neil