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Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Volkster999, Oct 7, 2022.

  1. Volkster999

    Volkster999 New Member

    Hi,
    I found this bowl (see pics) buried in my back yard on Amelia Island FL. This area had been the site of a Spanish Mission, if that helps. It's glazed terracotta so we are thinking maybe Talavera Mexico in origin? But I can't match the pattern to anything remotely like it. One pattern looks like a lotus blossom so maybe Asian influence? It measures 23 1/4 inches across. Thank you in advance for any help identifying it.
    Neil IMG_1085.jpg IMG_1087.jpg IMG_1088.jpg
     
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  2. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Would/could you post a photograph of the bottom?

    Debora
     
  3. Volkster999

    Volkster999 New Member

    Yes, be right back!
    Thank you.
     
  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    that's really nice !!!!
     
  5. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    It's what's called a cuenco, by way.

    Debora
     
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  6. Volkster999

    Volkster999 New Member

    Bottom Pics IMG_1114.jpg IMG_1115.jpg IMG_1116.jpg
     
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  7. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    European, or at least, not Mexico, imo. Might be North African.
     
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  8. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    What I was thinking. Spain owned Florida until 1819 and I'd imagine ties remained for a long while thereafter. That said,I know not much about pottery from that era.
     
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  9. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Could be Talavera, from Spain or México. Someone more knowledgable than I should be able to provide direction based on the color of the clay.

    Debora
     
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  10. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Hm. Can we have a side on close up of the clay please?
     
  11. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I don't know but thought I'd give you what I've got. You might try using lebrillo as a search term for flat bottom basins. I didn't find anything yet that I think defines it.

    I have a rather good book by the Listers' Maiolica Olé Spanish and Mexican Decorative Traditions that has good info on pottery from about the 17th-19thC. I don't see anything I'd say was the same but I'll show some that have some elements. They also have a chart showing Chinese designs adapted by some Mexican potters.

    You might try a museum in Florida or a state or regional archaeologist. Here is a possible museum to try.
    https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/typeceramics/types/

    Also a bowl from the MFA/Boston that has some similar type (not same) design elements.

    From, Maiolica Olé
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    From, MFA Boston
    https://collections.mfa.org/objects/670900/
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    Basin (lebrillo)
    Attributed to: Damián Hernández (Mexican, born in Spain, active 1607 – 1670)
    1650–1670
    Object Place: Puebla de los Ángeles, Mexico
    MEDIUM/TECHNIQUETin-glazed earthenware (talavera)
     

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    Last edited: Oct 8, 2022
  12. Volkster999

    Volkster999 New Member

    Thank you all for your continued help! Here is a pic of the clay. I stacked the two smaller pieces to show as much as possible. IMG_1120.jpg
     
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  13. Volkster999

    Volkster999 New Member

    Does the close up of the clay give anyone any new ideas?
    Thanks,
    Neil
     
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