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  1. Hermes1234

    Hermes1234 New Member

    photo_2022-01-09_23-48-12.jpg photo_2022-01-09_23-48-15.jpg Hello, need help with attribution of this old picture I have, it's comming from France.Thanks!
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  2. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    It appears to be signed bottom left corner.

  3. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    How big is it, and what is it painted on?

    It looks confidently painted. Someone influenced by the Nabis.
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  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  5. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Try as I might, I can't make that any more legible....Sorry!:rolleyes:

    POTENTIAL SIGGY-art-scale-2_00x-gigapixel.jpg
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  6. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Very strong painting, impressionism, I like it a lot.
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  7. Hermes1234

    Hermes1234 New Member

    Size 42x55, cardboard oil.
    Can this work be writted by any of fovism artists?Is there any similarity with Andre Derain?
    Sign by pencil, but I can't identify it

    Attached Files:

  8. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Yes, it could have been done by a les fauves era artist, but it would be most helpful to see a photo of the back. I cannot tell if this is painted on canvas or board?

    Fauvism - Wikipedia
  9. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    There is a resemblance to the style of Andre Derain but not enough for an attribution. The fact that the signature does not show that name seems unlikely he did this. Where in France did you purchase this? How was it sold to you as?
  10. Hermes1234

    Hermes1234 New Member

    Perhaps this is not a sign of artist but a place where it is been written or a name of a picture?Can it be Thames?It is thick cardboard.
  11. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Please show us closeups of the edges, the back, and details of the paint.
    Yes, it could be the name of the landscape setting and not a signature.
    Have you found any examples of Derain's signature on paintings?
    Or any examples of his work?
  12. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    How was this painting sold to you, how was it described?
  13. Hermes1234

    Hermes1234 New Member

    Google photo search by this picture leads me to works of V. Kandinsky, A. Matisse, A.Derain.I would like to hear connoisseurs opinion.Here are some photos I have, soon I will post photo of the back

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  14. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I'd stick to Nabis. Fauvism is a bit later and a bit farther along the road to abstraction. Heavy cardboard is millboard and a common enough painting surface from the 19th and early 20th C. The use of it supports the idea that the painting has some age to it. To my eye, the weakest part of the painting is the upper right where it looks like the painter didn't have as much control as he might have wanted. He really had to work the paint there, much more so than elsewhere in the picture, and it looks like he lost it a bit. It's extremely unlikely that this is by a major artist, but it could very well be an adequate example of post impressionism from the period.

    This is one of those instances where you might want a hands-on appraisal by someone with hands-on experience and in-depth knowledge.

    You could try to run it by one of the big auction houses. They are not likely to provide you with a lot of info, but it will be a telling point whether or not they express an interest.
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  15. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Agree re upper right corner. Artist seems to be unsure of what he wanted to accomplish there. In fact, right edge seems somewhat tentative when compared to left. Perhaps artist was left-handed.

  16. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Thanks, it's unlikely to be a famous painter.

    Without the back, it's difficult to see how old the pressboard may be.

    THIS is such excellent advice, I really cannot add to it.
  17. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    IMO it’s not Fauvist. The palette is reality based. Love this picture. I think it’s special.
  18. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    So this looks like a painting on Masonite to me. Picture of the back may prove otherwise. But if it is Masonite, that wasn't invented until 1924 and widely used until the 1930's in the US. I've looked at this because of its use in furniture. I don't know whether it was exported from the US or what was used in UK, Europe, maybe there was something similar in those countries with different dates?

    Also, the masonite shows through on the painting, it was not prepped with undercoating. Which usually indicates to me that it was not done by a professional artist, though I sure there are exceptions. Signed in pencil also suggests that to me? Maybe those with more experience will say I am full of it?

    So my feeling, pending pics of the back, is that this could be a 20th century student work in the style of Nabis? Am I off base?
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  19. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Appears to be masonite to me too.
    I don't really think it matters what we call the style.
    I have no idea how big this is either ??

    As for prepped with undercoating, Jeff means it's not gessoed. I doubt that to be an identifying factor, but it could be. I have no idea if that's pencil, we need a better picture of it. How large is your painting, please, @Hermes1234 ?
  20. Hermes1234

    Hermes1234 New Member

    Thank you for advices and interest to my theme. Size of picture is 42.5x55cm.Picture looks like etude. Can you please advice me which auction houses would be good to write?
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