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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Iconodule, post: 10586471, member: 91417&quot;]Except we have NO images of Gertrude from the 13th century.&nbsp; I have been searching the web and the earliest I could find were 17th century.&nbsp; Not surprising, because (as far as an AI summary can be trusted), she was not considered a saint until the 17th century &amp; her writings were largely lost and partially rediscovered in the 17th century.&nbsp; (The crosier in many images is thought to be the result of a confusion with other Gertrudes who were abbesses.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I found three 17th century paintings of St. Gertrude the Great:</p><p><br /></p><p>Pietro Liberi (1605-1687)&nbsp; Italian Baroque painter, active in Venice &amp; Veneto, born Padua</p><p>[ATTACH=full]531040[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Anonymous artist from Seville, 2nd half 17th century</p><p>[ATTACH=full]531041[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Isidoro Arredondo (1655–1702), Spanish painter</p><p>[ATTACH=full]531042[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>None of them show the white buttoned sleeve.&nbsp; I do not think that has anything to do with 13th century Benedictine habits. More likely 18th century, when they appear in images of Gertrude.</p><p><br /></p><p>In any case, FN&#039;s image of the saint definitely is no earlier than the 18th cen, maybe 19th.&nbsp; I am not comfortable dating it because it is likely a copy from an earlier image of the saint.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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