Old bronze pot - but how old?

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  1. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    shmushed...is a jewish word.....we invented it..:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
     
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  2. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    normal procedure to make it watertight. or even pressure tight in aviation. rivets look like some sort of CherryMAX.
     
  3. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Yah but I can't imagine why a 7" vase would warrant such a repair?

    ++What is a CherryMAX, @Fid ?
     
  4. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    My mother used this word all'a the time. She knew her roots were Jewish, but never told her children we are Jewish. ::sighs::
     
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  5. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    looks like a mug with a missing handle.
     
  6. aaroncab

    aaroncab in veritate victoria

    I think the size of this is not apparent in pictures - yes it is 7.5" high, but it is not a mug - filled it with water up to 3/4" below the rim - holds CORRECTION- 65 ounces approx - about 2 quarts or 1.9 liters. Also the patch did not leak - appears to be water tight although I only left the water in for about 2 minutes.
     
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  7. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    a small flagon , perhaps
     
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  8. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    40 oz. tankard/mug.... https://www.rubylane.com/item/746515-MS-1468/Large-40oz-Pewter-Tankard-Woodbury-Pewterers

    In Germany I guess it would be called a stein.
     
  9. aaroncab

    aaroncab in veritate victoria

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  10. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

  11. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Wow it sure does look like a CherryMAX! What was their inception date?
     
  12. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Ahem .. not done much riveting by the sound of it, there Fid!:wideyed::smuggrin:

    The rivets on this piece are typical copper nail rivets and roves, just like we used in building "clinker" wooden boats. Back in the day I built quite a few wooden boats and even made my own rivets, both steel and copper. Basic operation is:
    1. drill a hole.
    2. push nail through.
    3. place rove (washer) over nail.
    4. cut nail with clipper slightly longer than washer surface.
    5. place backing dolly on nail head.
    6. use ball pein hammer to create "head" on cut side and harden up joint.

    Rivets like the OP's can even be handmade using copper rod.

    They have NOTHING in common with "cherrymax" rivets!!
     
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  13. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    not really, no. as FAA approved civil aviation aircraft maintenance engineer you don't do that yourself; there's hands around.
     
  14. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Ok - that explains it.
     
  15. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    I agree that rivets look fine, but the use of a round manufactured washer on each rivet points to being not a very early repair. And in general, I don't see anything to point to much age on this piece. It is turned from a sheet of brass and not raised or cast (so no welds or dovetails); the bulbous shape and top turned over with a precise overlap makes it look mass produced to me. And the lack of decoration makes it hard to place in location or time. My opinion: it could be 19th century, but think 20th century is more likely.

    Interesting video of the process of making a piece like this today (see the end where he needs to remove the form because of bulbous shape):
     
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