Pewter bottle - what kind and what are the marks? - help pls

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  1. Brian Egan

    Brian Egan Active Member

    Hi all
    New around here, looks like its a very helpful place.
    Can anyone tell me what kind of bottle this is and does anyone know anything about the marks on the bottom.
    Thanks in advance.
    Brian
     

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  2. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    ED99294C-6757-47EA-96D0-CC9253581B8E.jpeg Welcome to the Forum, Brian! :)
    If you check Display all images Full size next time, it’s easier for us to see. I enlarged the one with marks. Can you take a close up of where I circled, and any other light marks you may see?
     
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  3. anundverkaufen

    anundverkaufen Bird Feeder

    Is there a hole in the cap?
    Looks like a baby feeder with the nipple broken off.
     
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  5. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

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  6. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I don't know but I'm not certain about it being British. I did look through Cotterell's without seeing it. I did find a rather similar mark of H&B or H*B in Tardy's as French, (though not the same as yours which seems to be H*S, HKS or something like that). The mark is at the bottom of this page. I have a half dozen or so books on pewter and didn't see this exact one:( though honestly I could have missed it.

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  7. anundverkaufen

    anundverkaufen Bird Feeder

    Definitely not a powder flask, I’m sure it’s a feeder.
    Could be this type as opposed to being broken.
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  8. Brian Egan

    Brian Egan Active Member

    Thanks for all your help so far everyone.
    Looking more like a nursing bottle.
    Couple more pics here.
    Guessing not that old due to threaded top?
    Couldn't see any more marks on bottom on close inspection.

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  9. anundverkaufen

    anundverkaufen Bird Feeder

    I believe it’s mid to late 18th century, screw threads were being cut well before.
     
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  10. Brian Egan

    Brian Egan Active Member

    Thanks, all new to me so really appreciate your help
     
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    i need help Moderator Moderator

    31ADABFE-D743-4262-9CF4-E7E74EEB00C9.jpeg A00E9F21-7E32-4C7F-A108-DFEA7219CDAD.jpeg I think where I circled is the angel pictured here, but I can’t see it very well.
     
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  12. Brian Egan

    Brian Egan Active Member

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    i need help Moderator Moderator

    I don’t see it at all now, :(. You should try to look for any other light marks, though.
     
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  14. Brian Egan

    Brian Egan Active Member

    I've had a very good look over it today and cannot see anything that looks like it might have been a mark, thanks for help
     
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  15. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    JMHO. the thread looks too good to be handmade. but if you have a gauge you could eventually define if it's metric, whitworth etc..
    the rose was used everywhere and doesn't help.
     
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  16. Brian Egan

    Brian Egan Active Member

    Seems like a good shout.
    Haven't got a gauge to meausre.
    What would be the earliest that thread could be non-handmade?
     
  17. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    normally the man would be Henry Maudslay around 1800. before that, the bolt and nut were always a pair and not interchangable with others. and my guess for the thread in the cap would be even later.
    with no gauge but calipers you could eventually measure the diameter and then count the screw threads you have on the length of one inch. of course the Continentals had to do it the other way around :arghh: and take millimeters per thread for the pitch. :hilarious:
    from what I see it's too coarse for metric. could be Whitworth or :grumpy: even British National Coarse.:inpain:
     
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