Portrait

Discussion in 'Art' started by SSlava, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. SSlava

    SSlava Well-Known Member

    Also in the USSR did not wear such suits.
    And the picture is not a copy. Perhaps someone painted a portrait of a woman wearing a 19th century costume. Did someone paint a portrait from an old photo? or perhaps this is a real portrait, made at the end of the 19th century))?
     
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  2. SSlava

    SSlava Well-Known Member

    Perhaps the picture has darkened, and the novice restorer decided to clean it (as he thought that the picture is of no value)?And get this result?
     
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  3. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure with what intention you bought it ? I see minimal resale value due to the sujet. who is hanging a picture of an old and worn-out lady by an unknown artist on his wall ?
    would be pure luck if some of the research specialists would find a similar person.
     
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  4. SSlava

    SSlava Well-Known Member

    Well, lovers of old portraits are definitely there)).

    I saw not so long ago the sale of a children's portrait of the early 20th century, made by an unknown artist, at a Russian online auction for $ 700 for example)).

    But if this is the case, the users of the Russian forum, on which I laid out the picture, are trying in every way to devalue the picture, it is unlikely of course possible to sell such a picture expensive)). Moreover, the condition of the picture is also not very good, which also affects the cost. I can leave for personal collection. But I want to know the real age of this thing)). 123289432.jpg

    https://meshok.net/item/123289432_Портрет_девочки_19_век
     
  5. SSlava

    SSlava Well-Known Member

    And so I agree, it is unlikely that a picture in this state can be sold much more expensive for example)).

    But if the picture is really a 19th century, a Russian portrait, it represents a certain value.
     
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  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is well-painted, and I must say, the lady is growing on me. She looks sophisticated and has lived, and her experience and life lessons show.
    She may not have been painted in Russia, art travels.

    She is wearing a mourning dress with a gold brooch on her collar, possibly a bar brooch. Those brooches were generally fashionable in the early 20th century. The Russian bourgeoisie followed the same fashions as bourgeoisie elsewhere. There were only small regional differences around the world.
    Older ladies were often in mourning. The older you get, the more loved ones pass away.

    Children's portraits are generally more popular than portraits of elderly ladies.
     
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  7. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I am not sure that enough of the clothing is showing to date it accurately. Also, I would say that the date of the clothing would be useful for figuring out the earliest this painting could have been made. An old photograph can be copied into a painting at a later date, too, so the latest possible date of the painting can't be figured out that way.
     
  8. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    And also late 19th century...
     
  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    True. And elderly ladies used to stick to the fashions they wore when they were younger. Some still do.;)
     
  10. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Yes, I forgot to mention that! :)
     
  11. SSlava

    SSlava Well-Known Member

    In general, as I understand the picture of the late 19th or early 20th century?
     
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  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The subject is, but we don't know if the painting is.
    The fact that it is a cut out is a problem, but you didn't pay very much for it. You could follow some of the suggestions posted before to make it a presentable painting.
     
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  13. SSlava

    SSlava Well-Known Member

    Well, the picture is not a copy of this for sure (not found in search engines). Although maybe someone copied from an old photo (but unlikely) . then how to determine it? the canvas seems relatively old (although it may already be machine-made. but in the 19th century there were already many such canvases.)
     
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  14. April07

    April07 Well-Known Member

    Usually, you can figure out whether it is made from a model or by photo by volume of the image and the light/ shadow balance. Those portraits made from photo appear as more flat and regular. If you know any artist who paints in an old-school realist manner, you can consult with him. From the image in the forum, it's difficult to say plus the damage.
     
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  15. SSlava

    SSlava Well-Known Member

    Hmm, well, the image in the painting does not look flat))
     
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