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<p>[QUOTE="Iconodule, post: 11767290, member: 91417"]Although I know nothing about ceramics of this era, I was curious enough to start searching online to learn more. AI did come up with this, citing the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NYC, (which gives it more credence than random AI answers). Maybe you could <b>send your photos and inquiry to the Met/Cloisters. Since they have Montif's records there is a decent chance that they could identify your piece.</b> Are there any other numbers that might be a gallery or collection number (handwritten, another sticker) on the bottom of your piece? If so, maybe the number could be matched to the gallery records held by the Met.</p><p><br /></p><p>"AI:</p><p>H.K. Monif (H. Khan Monif) was a prominent art dealer associated with the <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=Brummer+Gallery&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1161US1161&oq=who+was+H.K.+Monif&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRiPAjIHCAQQIRiPAjIHCAUQIRiPAtIBCjExMzkxajBqMTWoAgiwAgHxBZEeOP8hHLQT8QWRHjj_IRy0Ew&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfAV_4Zsq28Owp0XxNrJOBNYg_16_uOTR3eTimzVhcrjV-CxKl2DuISsgVgPfxnGId8VsHit4nKEzd7h2kGTN_C0iEBQAuK6NipfPab9mfDRudTPrtlIDw4vlxV5FXqP4fVIDLmlBbeTMwxM2oCXXx4SAe-U9ocF_9YqkEpJPglsXTww2StFWsIPxeinbQk_riDHLkRIdV-FgNYg0AgaN2sFf5W5s4lSFqdhMuYpi5bswVUd-2LpAnTj0s4fB8X_mLHEIhkUoji2_aX26FXoY4CJvOR9I_xUQEiAn_bMPEXG30Z5fB12QckdFyK8nPEnNIH_iC_TK5D8Zzgt5uzjPdOhO6OKcSapmvtIx5uwWMTrTvePFdybzVUw37Imdwcq7rCjx_GEFRqXKVKDB_r-pNowMoTJuhgC5f-iY-JrKcqHfxNIWIMXmW7A-iPpmguLVPO1csx_ldqr88K8YnIH0xJpTDif8lVtliu7iHvr58yGVbYd6j-5KH6IhFpfulaTI0IOv0BpG1FT91P7GRkkn2g57rt5UCPRoeFtnzHq0Gir3b3kv7BySLhmY1k2&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwigzqfEkP2SAxV8_8kDHVzpEPIQgK4QegQIAhAC" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?q=Brummer+Gallery&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1161US1161&oq=who+was+H.K.+Monif&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRiPAjIHCAQQIRiPAjIHCAUQIRiPAtIBCjExMzkxajBqMTWoAgiwAgHxBZEeOP8hHLQT8QWRHjj_IRy0Ew&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfAV_4Zsq28Owp0XxNrJOBNYg_16_uOTR3eTimzVhcrjV-CxKl2DuISsgVgPfxnGId8VsHit4nKEzd7h2kGTN_C0iEBQAuK6NipfPab9mfDRudTPrtlIDw4vlxV5FXqP4fVIDLmlBbeTMwxM2oCXXx4SAe-U9ocF_9YqkEpJPglsXTww2StFWsIPxeinbQk_riDHLkRIdV-FgNYg0AgaN2sFf5W5s4lSFqdhMuYpi5bswVUd-2LpAnTj0s4fB8X_mLHEIhkUoji2_aX26FXoY4CJvOR9I_xUQEiAn_bMPEXG30Z5fB12QckdFyK8nPEnNIH_iC_TK5D8Zzgt5uzjPdOhO6OKcSapmvtIx5uwWMTrTvePFdybzVUw37Imdwcq7rCjx_GEFRqXKVKDB_r-pNowMoTJuhgC5f-iY-JrKcqHfxNIWIMXmW7A-iPpmguLVPO1csx_ldqr88K8YnIH0xJpTDif8lVtliu7iHvr58yGVbYd6j-5KH6IhFpfulaTI0IOv0BpG1FT91P7GRkkn2g57rt5UCPRoeFtnzHq0Gir3b3kv7BySLhmY1k2&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwigzqfEkP2SAxV8_8kDHVzpEPIQgK4QegQIAhAC" rel="nofollow">Brummer Gallery</a> in the early 20th century. Records indicate he was active in the art trade, with correspondence dating back to at least 1929, and his records are held in <a href="https://libmma.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16028coll9/id/51741/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://libmma.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16028coll9/id/51741/" rel="nofollow">The Metropolitan Museum of Art</a>'s collection.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]548292[/ATTACH]The Metropolitan Museum of Art +1</p><p><br /></p><ul> <li><b>Full Name:</b> H. Khan Monif.</li> <li><b>Role:</b> Art dealer, particularly involved with the Brummer Gallery.</li> <li><b>Significance:</b> He is mentioned in the Metropolitan Museum of Art's Cloisters Library and Archives, specifically within the Brummer Gallery Records.</li> <li><b>Activity Period:</b> Documented correspondence from 1929."</li> </ul><p>I decided to search the Met's collection to see if I could find anything similar, using H. Khan Montif, ceramics, Iran, Islamic Art (department), 1000-1200 (date) for search parameters. I found no exact matches, but did find one with a griffin relief similar to the "panther" on your vesssel. Since the image is labelled "Public Domain," it should be legal to load the picture here (although Antiquers "full image" remained small size. Go to the url to look at a larger image)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]548297[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]548296[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]548292[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>This may be a little later than Seljuk empire (1037-1194) but the panther/griffin motif is very similar.</p><p><br /></p><p>Entry does not mention H.K. Montif sticker, so I feel lucky that my search found it. (Serendity as research method!)</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/449686" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/449686" rel="nofollow">https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/449686</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Large Turquoise Jar</p><p><br /></p><p>12th–13th century</p><p><br /></p><p><b>On view at The Met Fifth Avenue in <a href="https://maps.metmuseum.org/poi?_gl=1%2A1253b05%2A_ga%2AMjk2MzAzMzczLjE3MDE4NzY3NzM.%2A_ga_Y0W8DGNBTB%2AMTcwNDQwMDg1OS43My4xLjE3MDQ0MDIzMzcuMC4wLjA.&feature=9d0c47c69db8e8f8493e683ac80ce41e&floor=2&screenmode=base&search=403#19/40.7780793/-73.9635174/-61" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://maps.metmuseum.org/poi?_gl=1%2A1253b05%2A_ga%2AMjk2MzAzMzczLjE3MDE4NzY3NzM.%2A_ga_Y0W8DGNBTB%2AMTcwNDQwMDg1OS43My4xLjE3MDQ0MDIzMzcuMC4wLjA.&feature=9d0c47c69db8e8f8493e683ac80ce41e&floor=2&screenmode=base&search=403#19/40.7780793/-73.9635174/-61" rel="nofollow">Gallery 455</a></b></p><p><br /></p><p>This large earthenware jar holds four registers of molded decoration containing motifs typical of the Seljuq period, including winged griffins set against a scrolling background, an elegant arabesque design, and a series of inscriptions with good wishes written in small kufic script. Although the original function of this jar is not known, similar earthenware jugs may have been used to hold grains or wine.</p><p><br /></p><ul> <li><b>Title:</b> Large Turquoise Jar</li> <li><b>Date:</b> 12th–13th century</li> <li><b>Geography:</b> Made in Iran</li> <li><b>Medium:</b> Earthenware; molded and glazed</li> <li><b>Dimensions:</b> H. 31 1/2 in. (80 cm)<br /> Diam. 18 1/2 (47 cm</li> <li><b>Classification:</b> Ceramics</li> <li><b>Credit Line:</b> Fletcher Fund, 1939</li> <li><b>Object Number:</b> 39.189</li> <li><b>Curatorial Department:</b> <a href="https://www.metmuseum.org/departments/islamic-art" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.metmuseum.org/departments/islamic-art" rel="nofollow"><b>Islamic Art</b></a></li> </ul><p><br /></p><p><b>Inscription:</b> Good wishes; felicity, peace, generosity, power, longevity to the owner</p><p><br /></p><p>In kufic script:</p><p>... و الدولة و السعادة و السلا[مة] الطائعة و الدالة و البقا لصا[حبه]</p><p><br /></p><p>(A.Ghouchani, 2011 )</p><p><br /></p><p>Provenance: [ Hagop Kevorkian, New York, until 1939; sold to MMA]</p><p><br /></p><p>The next closest (turquoise glaze but different shape and floral motifs) was</p><p><a href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/451200" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/451200" rel="nofollow">https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/451200</a> . This did have the HK Montif sticker: Sticker below base: HK [Moni]f / [?] / 645 / Madison Avenue</p><p>- Sticker below base: PX 49 / 336[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Iconodule, post: 11767290, member: 91417"]Although I know nothing about ceramics of this era, I was curious enough to start searching online to learn more. AI did come up with this, citing the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NYC, (which gives it more credence than random AI answers). Maybe you could [B]send your photos and inquiry to the Met/Cloisters. Since they have Montif's records there is a decent chance that they could identify your piece.[/B] Are there any other numbers that might be a gallery or collection number (handwritten, another sticker) on the bottom of your piece? If so, maybe the number could be matched to the gallery records held by the Met. "AI: H.K. Monif (H. Khan Monif) was a prominent art dealer associated with the [URL='https://www.google.com/search?q=Brummer+Gallery&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1161US1161&oq=who+was+H.K.+Monif&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRiPAjIHCAQQIRiPAjIHCAUQIRiPAtIBCjExMzkxajBqMTWoAgiwAgHxBZEeOP8hHLQT8QWRHjj_IRy0Ew&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfAV_4Zsq28Owp0XxNrJOBNYg_16_uOTR3eTimzVhcrjV-CxKl2DuISsgVgPfxnGId8VsHit4nKEzd7h2kGTN_C0iEBQAuK6NipfPab9mfDRudTPrtlIDw4vlxV5FXqP4fVIDLmlBbeTMwxM2oCXXx4SAe-U9ocF_9YqkEpJPglsXTww2StFWsIPxeinbQk_riDHLkRIdV-FgNYg0AgaN2sFf5W5s4lSFqdhMuYpi5bswVUd-2LpAnTj0s4fB8X_mLHEIhkUoji2_aX26FXoY4CJvOR9I_xUQEiAn_bMPEXG30Z5fB12QckdFyK8nPEnNIH_iC_TK5D8Zzgt5uzjPdOhO6OKcSapmvtIx5uwWMTrTvePFdybzVUw37Imdwcq7rCjx_GEFRqXKVKDB_r-pNowMoTJuhgC5f-iY-JrKcqHfxNIWIMXmW7A-iPpmguLVPO1csx_ldqr88K8YnIH0xJpTDif8lVtliu7iHvr58yGVbYd6j-5KH6IhFpfulaTI0IOv0BpG1FT91P7GRkkn2g57rt5UCPRoeFtnzHq0Gir3b3kv7BySLhmY1k2&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwigzqfEkP2SAxV8_8kDHVzpEPIQgK4QegQIAhAC']Brummer Gallery[/URL] in the early 20th century. Records indicate he was active in the art trade, with correspondence dating back to at least 1929, and his records are held in [URL='https://libmma.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16028coll9/id/51741/']The Metropolitan Museum of Art[/URL]'s collection. [ATTACH=full]548292[/ATTACH]The Metropolitan Museum of Art +1 [LIST] [*][B]Full Name:[/B] H. Khan Monif. [*][B]Role:[/B] Art dealer, particularly involved with the Brummer Gallery. [*][B]Significance:[/B] He is mentioned in the Metropolitan Museum of Art's Cloisters Library and Archives, specifically within the Brummer Gallery Records. [*][B]Activity Period:[/B] Documented correspondence from 1929." [/LIST] I decided to search the Met's collection to see if I could find anything similar, using H. Khan Montif, ceramics, Iran, Islamic Art (department), 1000-1200 (date) for search parameters. I found no exact matches, but did find one with a griffin relief similar to the "panther" on your vesssel. Since the image is labelled "Public Domain," it should be legal to load the picture here (although Antiquers "full image" remained small size. Go to the url to look at a larger image) [ATTACH=full]548297[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]548296[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]548292[/ATTACH] This may be a little later than Seljuk empire (1037-1194) but the panther/griffin motif is very similar. Entry does not mention H.K. Montif sticker, so I feel lucky that my search found it. (Serendity as research method!) [URL]https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/449686[/URL] Large Turquoise Jar 12th–13th century [B]On view at The Met Fifth Avenue in [URL='https://maps.metmuseum.org/poi?_gl=1%2A1253b05%2A_ga%2AMjk2MzAzMzczLjE3MDE4NzY3NzM.%2A_ga_Y0W8DGNBTB%2AMTcwNDQwMDg1OS43My4xLjE3MDQ0MDIzMzcuMC4wLjA.&feature=9d0c47c69db8e8f8493e683ac80ce41e&floor=2&screenmode=base&search=403#19/40.7780793/-73.9635174/-61']Gallery 455[/URL][/B] This large earthenware jar holds four registers of molded decoration containing motifs typical of the Seljuq period, including winged griffins set against a scrolling background, an elegant arabesque design, and a series of inscriptions with good wishes written in small kufic script. Although the original function of this jar is not known, similar earthenware jugs may have been used to hold grains or wine. [LIST] [*][B]Title:[/B] Large Turquoise Jar [*][B]Date:[/B] 12th–13th century [*][B]Geography:[/B] Made in Iran [*][B]Medium:[/B] Earthenware; molded and glazed [*][B]Dimensions:[/B] H. 31 1/2 in. (80 cm) Diam. 18 1/2 (47 cm [*][B]Classification:[/B] Ceramics [*][B]Credit Line:[/B] Fletcher Fund, 1939 [*][B]Object Number:[/B] 39.189 [*][B]Curatorial Department:[/B] [URL='https://www.metmuseum.org/departments/islamic-art'][B]Islamic Art[/B][/URL] [/LIST] [B]Inscription:[/B] Good wishes; felicity, peace, generosity, power, longevity to the owner In kufic script: ... و الدولة و السعادة و السلا[مة] الطائعة و الدالة و البقا لصا[حبه] (A.Ghouchani, 2011 ) Provenance: [ Hagop Kevorkian, New York, until 1939; sold to MMA] The next closest (turquoise glaze but different shape and floral motifs) was [URL]https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/451200[/URL] . This did have the HK Montif sticker: Sticker below base: HK [Moni]f / [?] / 645 / Madison Avenue - Sticker below base: PX 49 / 336[/QUOTE]
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