Featured Pre-columbian? silver framed fabric box lid

Discussion in 'Textiles, Needle Arts, Clothing' started by charlie cheswick, Dec 8, 2022.

  1. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    This was bought part of a local auction win thread

    got some new pics did, and thought to add it to a new thread for more eyes

    looks to be the top off a old box (should be easy to turn into a wall hanging)

    stamped peru 925

    couple of members suggested the fabric could be pre-columbian

    measures 5 inches by 4

    any thoughts appreciated

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  2. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  3. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

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  4. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Charlie you've got a great eye & big props to local auctions & deb !
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  5. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    Thank you mate, the auction house merely stated peru 925 frame without mention of what was inside it
  6. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    It's one of those gray area things; they may have been afraid if they broadcast what it was, they wouldn't have been able to sell it.
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  7. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    Hmmm, interesting evey, I know you touched on the subject before about where the fabrics might have come from

    I'll have to look into that before trying to sell it

    Are they an ebay no no, and were they all from that type of thing;)

    And how would you tell ?
  8. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    No idea, but I'm not sure I'd want to find out.
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  9. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Charlie-If you're going to resell it-would it be worth way more as a box or as a wall piece ? Even though the original's rosewood,to recreate a box prob wouldn't be too costly,a very simple construction.
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  10. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    If it's rosewood that's another problem; in some places you can't sell rosewood unless it's an antique. The fabric may be, but the wood is 20th century.
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  11. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    Blimey I had no idea about rosewood laws either

    Probably would sell better as a box, but I would never get round to sorting it out :)
  12. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Yep Evely,selling Tribal,NA & endangered woods could be problematic.If an artifact can't be sold,it could go to an heir,a museum or be repatriated-but even donating something could also be a bit of a legal thicket ?
    Very complex international laws,and i have a sneaky feeling an international antiquities lawyer might be expensive.
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  13. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    You might (if the textiles legally salable) remove carefully from the rosewood backing,remount and frame it.Of course it might not survive removal & remount ?
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  14. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    PS-All the Chancay dolls I've handled have been pretty stable,of course this may have been glued-the box was made in the 1960's.
    Some Dealers back in the 70' and 80's used to say 'these were made by the Nazca Lines tribe,you know the space ship people !'...not.
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  15. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    Or just not mention its rosewood ;)

    Not even sure mine is
  16. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    May indeed not be rosewood or glued down-the 2 most essentials value-wise to the piece are the stamped silver frame & of course the textile.
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  17. aaroncab

    aaroncab in veritate victoria

    Hey Chuck - I picked up one of these at a thrift shop years ago. Just pulled it down off my bookshelf. Here's a couple pics to compare. It's about the same size as yours. 20221209_005811-02.jpeg 20221209_005840-01.jpeg 20221209_005825-02.jpeg

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  18. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    of course you have one sitting on your bookshelf...!!! :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

    u never cease to amaze....;)
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  19. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Probably Chimú culture from Peru's north coast, and it's upside down.;)
    Chimú art features a lot of stylised felines, and you've got a cat standing on its head.:eek::cat:

    There are many pre-Columbian cultures that made textiles using mind-boggling weaving techniques, Chancay was just one of them, and not the most prominent.
    The most amazing textiles were made by the Paracas culture. The Chimú made more cat imagery than the others.
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  20. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    Nice !, thanks for showing mate, box is indeed quite simple, but doubt I'll be able to find one that fits
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