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<p>[QUOTE="IvaPan, post: 11385707, member: 78949"]If I may, folks, it looks like a forged item and not so wisely forged.</p><p><br /></p><p>The stamp claims it is in Cyrillic Russian, but it is wrong from what I can see on the photo - it is inscribed "Фабрика Москв<font size="6"><b>Ъ</b></font>" while if it were original, it should have been inscribed "фабрика Москв<font size="7"><b>ы</b></font><font size="4"><b>"</b></font> <font size="4">The difference between "</font><b><font size="7">ъ</font></b><font size="4">" and "</font><b><font size="7">ы</font></b><font size="4">" is very visible to the one whose mother togue is written in Cyrillic - Russian or another one like Bulgarian.</font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">In the Russian language there is almost no "<b>Ъ</b>" - neither as a sound nor as a letter. I say almost as there are few exceptions - like "об<b>ъ</b>явление" for instance. But I am 100 % sure that Genitive of "Москв</font><font size="7"><b>а</b>"</font><font size="4"> is "Москв</font><font size="7"><b>ы</b>"</font><font size="4">, no other option whatsoever.</font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">It is another story that it is highly improbable to name any factory as just "Factory of Moscow" without specifying factory of what - neither in Imperial Russia nor in USSR. Moscow had and still has hundreds if not thousands of factories. In Imperial Russia factories usually bore the name of the owners/establisher, in the Soviet times they were named after communist activists or occasions - like "Kirov Factory" or "October Revolution Factory" or similar. Even if it were only "factory of Moscow" it should have specified factory of what - i.e. what this factory produces. </font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">And of course, Any is right in all she said. </font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">In addition, as I am not expert in samovars, I searched the web, and it seems that in present days samovars are only produced in Tula which is traditionally the first and biggest area of samovar production since Peter the Great times. I cannot swear on that as there might be some small workshops somewhere else but all in this "maker's mark" points to forgery (see above). </font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="IvaPan, post: 11385707, member: 78949"]If I may, folks, it looks like a forged item and not so wisely forged. The stamp claims it is in Cyrillic Russian, but it is wrong from what I can see on the photo - it is inscribed "Фабрика Москв[SIZE=6][B]Ъ[/B][/SIZE]" while if it were original, it should have been inscribed "фабрика Москв[SIZE=7][B]ы[/B][/SIZE][SIZE=4][B]"[/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=4]The difference between "[/SIZE][B][SIZE=7]ъ[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=4]" and "[/SIZE][B][SIZE=7]ы[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=4]" is very visible to the one whose mother togue is written in Cyrillic - Russian or another one like Bulgarian. In the Russian language there is almost no "[B]Ъ[/B]" - neither as a sound nor as a letter. I say almost as there are few exceptions - like "об[B]ъ[/B]явление" for instance. But I am 100 % sure that Genitive of "Москв[/SIZE][SIZE=7][B]а[/B]"[/SIZE][SIZE=4] is "Москв[/SIZE][SIZE=7][B]ы[/B]"[/SIZE][SIZE=4], no other option whatsoever. It is another story that it is highly improbable to name any factory as just "Factory of Moscow" without specifying factory of what - neither in Imperial Russia nor in USSR. Moscow had and still has hundreds if not thousands of factories. In Imperial Russia factories usually bore the name of the owners/establisher, in the Soviet times they were named after communist activists or occasions - like "Kirov Factory" or "October Revolution Factory" or similar. Even if it were only "factory of Moscow" it should have specified factory of what - i.e. what this factory produces. And of course, Any is right in all she said. In addition, as I am not expert in samovars, I searched the web, and it seems that in present days samovars are only produced in Tula which is traditionally the first and biggest area of samovar production since Peter the Great times. I cannot swear on that as there might be some small workshops somewhere else but all in this "maker's mark" points to forgery (see above). [/SIZE][/QUOTE]
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