Ruby Red Glass Bird Motif Covered Bowl" Bohemian? Stain or Flash?

Here is another ruby red piece. It is a covered bowl. There is a frosted or lathe rough medallion with a ruby bird, nest and butterfly and enameled white leaves. A hint of gold trim is around the nest, bird and on the tree/vine. Traces of gold trim are on the ball finial as well as around the middle of the cover. The bottom has a wavy look. The dimensions: stands 4½" to top of cover finial, 2¼" to top of bowl, mouth/opening 2 7/8" diameter, base 2” diameter, 3 7/8” diameter at widest point. Condition: good; does have wear scratches on the bottom; slight edge roughness or possibly a manufacturing flaw. Very minor scratches on the sides and what appears to be drops of the enamel done during manufacturing. Also a small bubble or 2 in the glass. I remember it as a child in the mid 1940s in our house. I do not know where or when my mother got it. It could have been a family piece, I just don't know.

I have seen a few other bird motif medallion red glass pieces that either were called Bohemian or the owners didn't know. Some looked right off the boat but none like this bowl and none with the wavy bottom. Here are a few:

http://www.rubylane.com/item/533954-CMA-619/Pair-Antique-19c-Victorian-Hand

http://www.ebay.com/itm/370950654487?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=370950654487&_rdc=1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Etched-Painted-and-Hand-Blown-DECANTER-Gold-leafing-Ruby-Stained-/321397081868?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=321397081868&_rdc=1&nma=true&si=XWIorDG1HuWd797iI2KuwOVwTKk%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bohemian-ruby-glass-Vase-w-frosted-amp-enameled-bird-design-19th-century-antique-/321415426589?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=321415426589&_rdc=1&nma=true&si=XWIorDG1HuWd797iI2KuwOVwTKk%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/190856024335?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=190856024335&_rdc=1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-8-3-4-034-Tall-Ruby-Cut-to-Clear-Frosted-Glass-Vase-Birds-Pine-Trees-/171015401542?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=171015401542&_rdc=1&nma=true&si=XWIorDG1HuWd797iI2KuwOVwTKk%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

TIA.

--- Susan

 

Is the top a lot heavier than the base? It looks like thicker glass in the photo, but photos don't tell much. By itself, the bowl looks like a rose bowl. The top looks like it would go on a taller piece. That's probably just me. I had a lot of red glass at one time because our apartment was Victorian. Now I live in an 1870 house that's more classical/Federal. This is due to the furniture and stuff that came with hubby's family home. I do like this piece. I don't really know enough about Bohemian so I'm just nattering away without being much help.

 

>Is the top a lot heavier than the base? It looks like thicker glass in the photo, but photos don't tell much. <

No, not really. The glass of both is hardly 1/16" thick. The bowl with cover weighs 5¾ oz (bowl 3¼ oz, cover 2½ oz.). The roughed, machine, area on top of the bowl in the pic is not the edge. The edge curves in around the top of bowl and that machine area is what the overhang of the cover rests on with the cover edge fitting exactly, not loose at all, snuggly, into the bowl opening. Boy, I didn't explain that well, maybe pics of the lid will help. The edge on the cover in the pics below looks thicker than it is because they are close-up shots.

>By itself, the bowl looks like a rose bowl. The top looks like it would go on a taller piece.<

The bowl measures to top, the mouth/opening 2 7/8". The cover from the very bottom of the edge to the top of the finial 2 5/8".

>Now I live in an 1870 house that's more classical/Federal. This is due to the furniture and stuff that came with hubby's family home. I do like this piece. I don't really know enough about Bohemian so I'm just nattering away without being much help.<

Thank you, Bev, for looking and giving your opinion! Gee, I'm envious of your 1870 house! Pleaseeee, keep "nattering away"!!!

--- Susan

 

I see it now. Mmm. I think it would look lovely next to my red flash wine glasses with clear stems. I could fill it with bon-bons.

 

"Stain or Flash?"
Stain, the side view of the cover shows areas of crystal glass with no color. 'Twer it flashed, the entire outer surface (minus whatever was removed in decoration) would be colored. This is a chemical stain applied by hand then fired for permanency.

Flashing is a process, only done on blown wares, where the original gather is dipped in a pot of a colored glass, coloring the entire outside of the piece, before it is blown to final shape. Can't be done with pressed glass.

 

<Stain...>

Ahhh, thank you again, Cherryhill! I posted this query before realizing you had posted a reply on my other ruby glass query with a very good description of stained glass. Again this is another excellent educational reply from you. With these replies of yours, I believe I'm finally getting it through this thick skull the difference between stain and flash.

>Flashing is a process, only done on blown wares<

1st grade question, does this mean this is pressed glass because it isn't flash or/and is it molded? I would have bet money this and the ruby vase were blown. Then again you were talking about flashing, which may mean stain can be on both blown and pressed??? Do remember all, I'm woefully ignorant when it comes to glass.

I have pieces of ruby pressed glass, EAPG, such as "Triple Triangle" by Doyle, "O'Hara Diamond" by US Glass, "King's Crown" by Tiffin, Dakota" by Ripley, "Button Arches" by Duncan, etc. They are in my inventory as stained glass. With what you have said above about flashing only on blown, I was **right** on calling them stained - hip hip hooray!!

--- Susan

 

Glass is a huge field, it takes decades to become really knowledgeable. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't spent decades.

Yes, the patterns you mentioned are all pressed, and all are available ruby stained.

Only blown glass can be flashed, both blown and pressed can be stained, as is your blown piece. It's done after the glass has been "made.", Flashing is done while its still hot and soft.

 

Again, again and again, thank you, Cherryhill!