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<p>[QUOTE="DragonflyWink, post: 324365, member: 111"]Eh, like I said, Russian silver is complicated, I only have a few references, with no real time for or interest in delving deeply into it - and while I've run across quite a bit over the years, the majority were fakes.</p><p><br /></p><p>So far as I know 'Ivan Andreyevich Ado' was the assay-master in Kazan, 1899-1916; the punch isn't well-cut, so not sure if your maker's mark is 'ИА' (IA) or 'НА' (NA), the kokoshnik indicates assay in Moscow, so there could be a few possibilities with either, and frankly, even experts have disagreements about attribution on some marks. What is truly bothersome about this piece is the quality of the work - everything about it is sloppy, the enamel work should be smoothly integrated, this looks like someone just slapped the cloisonne onto an existing case, which may have some age, and may or may not be Russian (matching marks should be on both sides of the case). If you look at the edges of the cloisonne, it doesn't even follow the curves of the case, two of the corners are almost square, the small round 'beaded' border cloisons vary in size and spacing, with many misshapen, as are other elements of the design; the wires are not uniform or as carefully applied as they should be, and the enamel is just messy, with the cells very unevenly filled, the color executed gloppily (for lack of a better term) and with an odd muddiness in tone.</p><p><br /></p><p>This link shows some cigarette cases of the same era, believe comparison will illustrate the issues with yours: <a href="http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=48403&sid=e9100c159f9c4872f4aca41e7b1340d4" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=48403&sid=e9100c159f9c4872f4aca41e7b1340d4" rel="nofollow">http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=48403&sid=e9100c159f9c4872f4aca41e7b1340d4</a></p><p><br /></p><p>~Cheryl[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DragonflyWink, post: 324365, member: 111"]Eh, like I said, Russian silver is complicated, I only have a few references, with no real time for or interest in delving deeply into it - and while I've run across quite a bit over the years, the majority were fakes. So far as I know 'Ivan Andreyevich Ado' was the assay-master in Kazan, 1899-1916; the punch isn't well-cut, so not sure if your maker's mark is 'ИА' (IA) or 'НА' (NA), the kokoshnik indicates assay in Moscow, so there could be a few possibilities with either, and frankly, even experts have disagreements about attribution on some marks. What is truly bothersome about this piece is the quality of the work - everything about it is sloppy, the enamel work should be smoothly integrated, this looks like someone just slapped the cloisonne onto an existing case, which may have some age, and may or may not be Russian (matching marks should be on both sides of the case). If you look at the edges of the cloisonne, it doesn't even follow the curves of the case, two of the corners are almost square, the small round 'beaded' border cloisons vary in size and spacing, with many misshapen, as are other elements of the design; the wires are not uniform or as carefully applied as they should be, and the enamel is just messy, with the cells very unevenly filled, the color executed gloppily (for lack of a better term) and with an odd muddiness in tone. This link shows some cigarette cases of the same era, believe comparison will illustrate the issues with yours: [URL]http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=48403&sid=e9100c159f9c4872f4aca41e7b1340d4[/URL] ~Cheryl[/QUOTE]
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