Featured Sevres pseudomarks I think...

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  1. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Hi folks. These lidded pots are, to my mind, far too thick to be the real thing. So, just after confirmation that they're pseudo Sevres - the little gold cartouche also says L M & Co. Decoration does look to be handpainted, and I know they've some age - at least the 1910s.

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  2. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    You are right. Absolute dreck. Toss in the dust bin.




    Your address is...?
     
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  3. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Ah. ;) So, Sansom perhaps? Or, seriously, do you think they actually ARE what they purport to be? I thought too clunky.
     
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  4. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Let's just say, everyone always seems to say that any and all Sevres marks are pseudo.

    I don't really care -- some things are just delightful, fairytale bibelots, and I can waft off into the rainbow mist, wearing my powdered wig, and silk dress with embonpoint edged with creamy lace and rosebuds...

    You should see me in the Fragonard/Boucher room in the Frick Museum.

    Or, perhaps not...
     
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  5. Mill Cove Treasures

    Mill Cove Treasures Well-Known Member

    I have read that the Sevres looking mark with the S was Samson.
     
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  7. CBErin

    CBErin New Member

    This may be Gustav Stulz AG of Strasbourg; he made items around the same time as the Dresden rococo period, similarly decorated and had an "S" inside the Sevres style symbol. If it's his, it's better (better in the sense of more desirable, rarer) than Samson.
     
  8. RON72

    RON72 New Member

    Sevres-01.JPG Sevres-05.JPG Sevres-02.JPG Sevres-03.JPG Hello everyone. I'm contemplating acquiring a Sevres "soupiere" myself. Width= 60 cm, height= 40 cm. It has the "S" mark. Is it authentic? What period?

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    i need help Moderator Moderator

    We can not see your photos. Here’s instructions for uploading.
     
  10. RON72

    RON72 New Member

    I just edited my post with photos... Hope you can see them now?
     
  11. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    Yes, I’ve just enlarged them. Just check the box for Full Images, next time.
    Welcome to the Forum! :)
     
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  13. RON72

    RON72 New Member

    Re. the photos I posted above with the help of the moderator, I'm learning on the net that this could actually have been made by the porcelain firm Samson, Edmé et Cie (aka Samson Ceramics), a famous copyist (and perhaps forger) of porcelain and pottery. The firm produced high-quality copies or imitations of earlier styles of porcelain, mainly 18th-century European and Chinese and Japanese porcelain, but also earlier styles such as Italian maiolica.
    Am I on the right track? And if so, what period would my "copy/forgery" be and how valuable would it be? It comes without the plate underneath--if there ever was one--and is 60 cm in width and 40 cm in height (pretty large).
     
  14. RON72

    RON72 New Member

    Any idea anyone?
     
  15. CBErin

    CBErin New Member

    See my post just upthread; I am convinced these are G. Stulz, Strasbourg. The way the reversed "L's" and S are stylized on your beautiful bowl and on my tea caddy are identical, and the decorations are similar- and similarly well-done- also.

    Are you keeping it, Ron?
     

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  16. CBErin

    CBErin New Member

    He decorated in the Dresden style. Here is another splendid example, one of the finest porcelain figural groups I've ever seen (but out of my budget in a huge way!):
     

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  17. RON72

    RON72 New Member

    Hi Erin, the guy is waiting for my reply. I'm just hesitating because no one knows what these are exactly and what period? I agree that the level of detailing seems quite high and neat. But is it just me or am I seeing some sort of transparent rectangular contour around the signature as if it was pasted instead of printed?
     
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  19. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Sevres manufacture their porcelain, they have no need to decorate that of others. If it has some other maker's name on it, it's not by Sevres.
     
  20. RON72

    RON72 New Member

    OK. My question is: what's this mark on mine and is it legit? Any indication to period as well would be great...
     
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