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<p>[QUOTE="Ladybranch, post: 101978, member: 44"]Anund... even Wright's <i>Hallmarks of the Southwest</i> has Ambrose Roanhorse and Ambrose Lincoln in error.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 145 the "R" section, says "Roanhorse, Ambrose see Lincoln, Ambrose"</p><p>There are 3 Roanhorse silversmiths listed: Henry, his wife Louise, James and Sam.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 104 in the "L" section, says</p><p>"LINCOLN, AMBROSE or ROANHORSE, AMBROSE Navajo</p><p>SILVERSMITH: Specialized in the old styles of Navajo jewelry. Taught by Wilfred Jones. Became a well-known teacher and taught in Santa Fe Indian School. Many noted silversmiths were his pupils.</p><p>HALLMARK: Stamped symbol of a keystone or broken arrow point with an A inside it.</p><p>From Ft. Wingate, New Mexican region."</p><p>At the end is a pic of a keystone with an "A."</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is info on Wright's mistake with Ambrose Roanhorse in his <i>Hallmarks of the Southwest </i>online:</p><p>Scroll a good 2/3rds of the way down the following webpage to the paragraph that starts with</p><p>"Some of the more pervasive mistakes in Hallmarks of the Southwest..." If someone doesn't like clicking links, here is what it says:</p><p><br /></p><p>"Some of the more pervasive mistakes in <i>Hallmarks of the Southwest</i> were misconstruing Austin Wilson for Ike Wilson (we blame C.G. Wallace for starting that confusion), attributing Ambrose Roanhorse’s stick horse figure hallmark to Fred Peshlakai (with the legs erroneously forming the initials FP), and the unfortunate mash-up of Ambrose Roanhorse and Ambrose Lincoln into one individual. While Mark Bahti in his 1980 book correctly identified the hallmark of a capital A in a keystone figure to Ambrose Lincoln, Wright later misconstrued these two Navajo silversmiths as the same individual who used the A in a keystone mark. Roanhorse actually used a stick figure of a horse whose legs formed the initials AR. This error has caused the work of Ambrose Lincoln, often consisting of cast pieces with Zuni style inlay, to be sold and priced as if the master silversmith Ambrose Roanhorse had made it."</p><p><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/7565302-reassessing-native-american-hallmark-books" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/7565302-reassessing-native-american-hallmark-books" rel="nofollow">https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/7565302-reassessing-native-american-hallmark-books</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a piece Ambrose Roanhorse silver online with this horse AR mark:</p><p><a href="http://www.perrynulltrading.com/ambrose-roanhorse-silver-horse-head-stall-navajo-circa-1950s" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.perrynulltrading.com/ambrose-roanhorse-silver-horse-head-stall-navajo-circa-1950s" rel="nofollow">http://www.perrynulltrading.com/ambrose-roanhorse-silver-horse-head-stall-navajo-circa-1950s</a></p><p><br /></p><p>--- Susan[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ladybranch, post: 101978, member: 44"]Anund... even Wright's [I]Hallmarks of the Southwest[/I] has Ambrose Roanhorse and Ambrose Lincoln in error. P. 145 the "R" section, says "Roanhorse, Ambrose see Lincoln, Ambrose" There are 3 Roanhorse silversmiths listed: Henry, his wife Louise, James and Sam. P. 104 in the "L" section, says "LINCOLN, AMBROSE or ROANHORSE, AMBROSE Navajo SILVERSMITH: Specialized in the old styles of Navajo jewelry. Taught by Wilfred Jones. Became a well-known teacher and taught in Santa Fe Indian School. Many noted silversmiths were his pupils. HALLMARK: Stamped symbol of a keystone or broken arrow point with an A inside it. From Ft. Wingate, New Mexican region." At the end is a pic of a keystone with an "A." Here is info on Wright's mistake with Ambrose Roanhorse in his [I]Hallmarks of the Southwest [/I]online: Scroll a good 2/3rds of the way down the following webpage to the paragraph that starts with "Some of the more pervasive mistakes in Hallmarks of the Southwest..." If someone doesn't like clicking links, here is what it says: "Some of the more pervasive mistakes in [I]Hallmarks of the Southwest[/I] were misconstruing Austin Wilson for Ike Wilson (we blame C.G. Wallace for starting that confusion), attributing Ambrose Roanhorse’s stick horse figure hallmark to Fred Peshlakai (with the legs erroneously forming the initials FP), and the unfortunate mash-up of Ambrose Roanhorse and Ambrose Lincoln into one individual. While Mark Bahti in his 1980 book correctly identified the hallmark of a capital A in a keystone figure to Ambrose Lincoln, Wright later misconstrued these two Navajo silversmiths as the same individual who used the A in a keystone mark. Roanhorse actually used a stick figure of a horse whose legs formed the initials AR. This error has caused the work of Ambrose Lincoln, often consisting of cast pieces with Zuni style inlay, to be sold and priced as if the master silversmith Ambrose Roanhorse had made it." [URL]https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/7565302-reassessing-native-american-hallmark-books[/URL] Here is a piece Ambrose Roanhorse silver online with this horse AR mark: [URL]http://www.perrynulltrading.com/ambrose-roanhorse-silver-horse-head-stall-navajo-circa-1950s[/URL] --- Susan[/QUOTE]
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