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<p>[QUOTE="Ladybranch, post: 51952, member: 44"]It might be considered a grasshopper rather than a cricket. The French used to use bigornes in their silver markings, but probably only on their sterling equivalents. The bigornes were anvil shape marks used for some sort of anti-fraud marks. Anyways, the bigornes consisted of 7 or 8 insects of which the grasshopper was one. This is not a bigorne.</p><p><a href="http://www.silvercollection.it/dictionarybigorne.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.silvercollection.it/dictionarybigorne.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.silvercollection.it/dictionarybigorne.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I suspect the cricket/grasshopper relates to the size of the item or the province the maker was located? That there was a difference between your insect and that on the plateau, i didn't notice. One could be a cricket and the other some creepy crawly.</p><p><br /></p><p>>time-frame<</p><p><br /></p><p>Hmmmm.... They were dating that plateau to what, the mid 1800s? They probably arrived at that time-frame by knowing something about the maker. I don't know enough abouf French marks to determine a timeframe without Tardy at my elbow. I found mention of the use of the word "Double" on French silverplate. It seems back when it was mandated by some sort of French ordinance that the maker's marks on silverplate must be in a square as opposed to a diamond shape for sterling ****and*** silverplate must have the word "Double." Nowww the references only said when it was mandated and gave no info if still required. Nowww let's see if I can find the references. Found a couple. The 1st full paragraph, p. 18 of the book. BTW, started 1797:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=lHUYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=french+silverplate+double+mark&source=bl&ots=bvOi6Sulvo&sig=hDw13fPBqVsBl9U5_t160MGTp5E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9icvVb_cHMmWsAWf84HACQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=french%20silverplate%20double%20mark&f=false" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://books.google.com/books?id=lHUYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=french+silverplate+double+mark&source=bl&ots=bvOi6Sulvo&sig=hDw13fPBqVsBl9U5_t160MGTp5E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9icvVb_cHMmWsAWf84HACQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=french%20silverplate%20double%20mark&f=false" rel="nofollow">https://books.google.com/books?id=lHUYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=french+silverplate+double+mark&source=bl&ots=bvOi6Sulvo&sig=hDw13fPBqVsBl9U5_t160MGTp5E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9icvVb_cHMmWsAWf84HACQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=french silverplate double mark&f=false</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The following is about silver in French daguerreotypes saying the word double was required, p. 49:</p><p><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=FLTyvuWX6MMC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=french+silverplate+double+mark&source=bl&ots=U9YzK3Uz40&sig=z44le4zpLpNAC8FG3KJSxexeX60&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9icvVb_cHMmWsAWf84HACQ&ved=0CEAQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q=french%20silverplate%20double%20mark&f=false" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://books.google.com/books?id=FLTyvuWX6MMC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=french+silverplate+double+mark&source=bl&ots=U9YzK3Uz40&sig=z44le4zpLpNAC8FG3KJSxexeX60&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9icvVb_cHMmWsAWf84HACQ&ved=0CEAQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q=french%20silverplate%20double%20mark&f=false" rel="nofollow">https://books.google.com/books?id=FLTyvuWX6MMC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=french+silverplate+double+mark&source=bl&ots=U9YzK3Uz40&sig=z44le4zpLpNAC8FG3KJSxexeX60&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9icvVb_cHMmWsAWf84HACQ&ved=0CEAQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q=french silverplate double mark&f=false</a></p><p><br /></p><p>It would have been better all the way around if this was sterling! It would enrich your pockets and probably be easier to date with the hallmarkings. As to what to call it, I don't know at the this time.</p><p><br /></p><p>--- Susan[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ladybranch, post: 51952, member: 44"]It might be considered a grasshopper rather than a cricket. The French used to use bigornes in their silver markings, but probably only on their sterling equivalents. The bigornes were anvil shape marks used for some sort of anti-fraud marks. Anyways, the bigornes consisted of 7 or 8 insects of which the grasshopper was one. This is not a bigorne. [URL]http://www.silvercollection.it/dictionarybigorne.html[/URL] I suspect the cricket/grasshopper relates to the size of the item or the province the maker was located? That there was a difference between your insect and that on the plateau, i didn't notice. One could be a cricket and the other some creepy crawly. >time-frame< Hmmmm.... They were dating that plateau to what, the mid 1800s? They probably arrived at that time-frame by knowing something about the maker. I don't know enough abouf French marks to determine a timeframe without Tardy at my elbow. I found mention of the use of the word "Double" on French silverplate. It seems back when it was mandated by some sort of French ordinance that the maker's marks on silverplate must be in a square as opposed to a diamond shape for sterling ****and*** silverplate must have the word "Double." Nowww the references only said when it was mandated and gave no info if still required. Nowww let's see if I can find the references. Found a couple. The 1st full paragraph, p. 18 of the book. BTW, started 1797: [URL='https://books.google.com/books?id=lHUYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=french+silverplate+double+mark&source=bl&ots=bvOi6Sulvo&sig=hDw13fPBqVsBl9U5_t160MGTp5E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9icvVb_cHMmWsAWf84HACQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=french%20silverplate%20double%20mark&f=false']https://books.google.com/books?id=lHUYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=french+silverplate+double+mark&source=bl&ots=bvOi6Sulvo&sig=hDw13fPBqVsBl9U5_t160MGTp5E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9icvVb_cHMmWsAWf84HACQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=french silverplate double mark&f=false[/URL] The following is about silver in French daguerreotypes saying the word double was required, p. 49: [URL='https://books.google.com/books?id=FLTyvuWX6MMC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=french+silverplate+double+mark&source=bl&ots=U9YzK3Uz40&sig=z44le4zpLpNAC8FG3KJSxexeX60&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9icvVb_cHMmWsAWf84HACQ&ved=0CEAQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q=french%20silverplate%20double%20mark&f=false']https://books.google.com/books?id=FLTyvuWX6MMC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=french+silverplate+double+mark&source=bl&ots=U9YzK3Uz40&sig=z44le4zpLpNAC8FG3KJSxexeX60&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9icvVb_cHMmWsAWf84HACQ&ved=0CEAQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q=french silverplate double mark&f=false[/URL] It would have been better all the way around if this was sterling! It would enrich your pockets and probably be easier to date with the hallmarkings. As to what to call it, I don't know at the this time. --- Susan[/QUOTE]
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