Silver marks, crown

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  1. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I have not even heard of it. Thanks for the tip!
     
  2. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Does it also cover Canadians by chance?
     
  3. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    The description at the beginning states early American smith's,but by the mid 1700's there were many who moved back and forth between Canada and the states.As the pages show there have been many without an identified maker's mark.
     
  4. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Look at the very first post, if that ain't EP in a shield, sideways, I don't know what is!! The other pics are not clear, but this one is.
     
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  5. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    I see nothing in that shield that even appears to be a letter E or P. Looks like a badly stamped Kanji "letter".
     
  6. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Well I can lead a horse to water but ...

    ...even the OP said it was EP in a shield ...
     
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  7. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    Blooey, is this what you're seeing as EP? (I see the P, but the E is sort of funky...)
    canadian maybe silver plate_LI.jpg
     
  8. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    EPmark.jpg

    Yes, that's the EP mark. Agreed funky but so is the crown and the backwards wombat and the thing that isn't a fleur de lys, but sorta looks like it could be. All plater's marks (English BTW) meant to sorta approximate hallmarks without actually being a hallmark - and let's be fair, it seems to have done it's job rather well if we go by this thread ...:wideyed:
     
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  9. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Similar marks have shown up on various silver forums many times - I see here Prince-of-Wales plume/beaver/crown/EP-in-shield, other than the beaver, all marks very common to British electroplate manufacturers (the crown not used after 1897). Would think John Sherwood & Sons of Birmingham the likely maker, but a quick scan through Silvercollection's English electroplate marks finds similar beavers used by Maxfield & Sons and Arthur E. Furniss, both of Sheffield, also one on a Harrod's piece (would guess belonging to the wholesaler), as well as one shown with the initials 'GH' under 'Unknown #1'.

    http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilverS.html

    ~Cheryl
     
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  10. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Well, I am glad to know that my original "plated" suspicion did eventually work out, but I did want to keep an open mind since my experience with Canadian marks has been limited.
     
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  11. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    To clarify a bit, the entire fruit/lemon knife would be plated, probably over nickel silver on the handle (though Britannia metal is possible), and the blade likely steel, though some pieces were produced in all nickel silver or all steel. And while wombats are cute and chubby like beavers, they do not have big tails - here is a Maxfield & Sons mark with additional detail:

    beavermark-maxfield-1.JPG

    ~Cheryl
     
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  12. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    We didn't really think this animal was a wombat, in the old days we just said that to distinguish it from anything remotely like a hallmark ..kind of an "in" joke among my circle!

    Oh and BTW, I have a group of 18 solid silver fruit knives (blades too) that are just stamped with a castle and B&G in an oval, that I bought for a dollar apiece. Thought to be plate by the antique dealer.
     
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  13. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    That would make the "EP" upside down on the shield.I have never seen anything inside a shield being upside down,maybe it isn't an "EP".
     
  14. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Not unusual for fruit knives to have silver blades - from the small bit you describe, perhaps 19th century German?

    Doesn't look upside-down to me, looks like the top of the shield wasn't completely struck, just as one side of the plume mark on the left was poorly struck...

    ~Cheryl
     
  15. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Indeed they are, German 19thc.:smug:
     
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