Sword with Wooden Carved Handle, Any Ideas?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Martin RSPCA, May 20, 2016.

  1. Martin RSPCA

    Martin RSPCA Active Member

    Hi All

    I have been donated a couple of unusual swords, they look old, the sleeve is one piece of solid would which has been hollowed, they both look very old and rather unusual,,

    If anyone has any ideas please let me know


    RSPCA SAM_6261.JPG SAM_6253.JPG SAM_6254.JPG SAM_6255.JPG SAM_6256.JPG SAM_6257.JPG SAM_6258.JPG SAM_6259.JPG SAM_6260.JPG
  2. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

    Indonesian. The one you show out of the sheaf is a kris.
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  3. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    An awful lot of these are made for the tourist trade. These are probably from this class. Tribally made and used examples can be quite valuable.

    The larger one looks too fancy for any function, the smaller less so.

    I'd say more Malay than Indonesian, but they are found all over the region. Assuming they are, as they seem, tourist pieces, I'd see the in auction at an estimate of £30 to £50 the pair.
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  4. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    It looks like the blade may be Damascus steel, and if real Damascus rather than faked to look like it (which could well be the case), that might add to the value.
    I might add that people are often fooled into thinking these are older than they really are by the rust; but because they are often made of rather poor-quality steel they can rust very quickly, within just a few years.
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  5. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    It's not at all hard to make steel with the surface character of Damascus steel, you grab a few pieces of ree-bar, hammer them out flat and together in a blacksmith's shop. Cheap and simple.

    This is how the original Damacus steel was made, the hammering and forging reduced the carbon content of the iron, making a stronger steel. If you start with mild steel already, the process just gives a Damascus appearance. It is not difficult or expensive, unlike the very similar but vastly more difficult multi layer forging that the finest Japanese blade makers use.
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  6. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Indeed, AF. So for me, I'm not sure I can tell the difference between good and bad from a pic...I'm sure maybe others can. And while I can recognize old patina in-hand, it is harder in a pic.
  7. Martin RSPCA

    Martin RSPCA Active Member

    Thank you so much everyone for all the comments on this post :)
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