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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;bosko69, post: 4818020, member: 16283&quot;]The only mid-class folks who get livable pensions in the states anymore are government workers who started in the 70&#039;s or 80&#039;s.The PERS System in general pays a Sewage Tech (wastewater treatment worker) abt 10-15% more than the amount they made before retirement-75-85K a year.</p><p>&nbsp; The gov pension fund is also billions in the red and has been forever-it&#039;s a massive part of national debt.</p><p>&nbsp; In the 70&#039;s the union won a contract by which PERS workers were guaranteed a 10% or more return on their pension savings-even when the markets down by thousands of points-slick huh ?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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