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<p>[QUOTE="Brian Warshaw, post: 4166762, member: 16674"]Yes. Your date of 'before 1860' is undoutedly right, according to the following. T remember a cheap form of wing-nut made out of a thin steel sheet (3/32") with the ends turned up, such that it was moved by pressing on thin turned up wings. It must have been on a toy, post WWII.</p><p><br /></p><p>Godey's Lady's Book and magazine</p><p>Page 200</p><p>Volume XLIX--From July To December 1854</p><p>edited by Mrs. Sarah Josepha Buell Hale and Louis Antoine Godey.</p><p>Published by Louis A Godey - Philadelphia</p><p><br /></p><p>[Reference is to a lapidary's bench]</p><p><br /></p><p>"...it is secured below the bench by a wing-nut, so as to allow the peg to be moved..."</p><p>-------------------------------------</p><p><br /></p><p>An 1832 horticultural book,</p><p><br /></p><p>"Useful and ornamental planting"</p><p>Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowlege</p><p>Baldwin, Cradock, Paternoster-Row, London</p><p><br /></p><p>On page 123 is the description of a seed as a "wing nut"</p><p><br /></p><p>------------------------------------------------</p><p><br /></p><p>Beagán a rá agus é a rá go maith</p><p><br /></p><p>--- On Tue, 3/1/11, John Cowan <<a href="http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org" rel="nofollow">cowan at mercury.ccil.org</a>> wrote:</p><p><br /></p><p>From: John Cowan <<a href="http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org" rel="nofollow">cowan at mercury.ccil.org</a>></p><p>Subject: Re: [PW] Invention/history of the wing nut</p><p>To: <a href="http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org" rel="nofollow">list at project-wombat.org</a></p><p>Cc: <a href="http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org" rel="nofollow">project-wombat at lists.project-wombat.org</a></p><p>Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 3:06 PM</p><p><br /></p><p>Christine Connors scripsit:</p><p><br /></p><p>><i> I am trying to determine when the wing nut was invented. (The mechanical</i></p><p><i>><i> fastener as defined by the American Heritage Dictionary as "A nut with><i> winglike projections for thumb and forefinger leverage in turning. Also><i> called thumbnut.")</i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i>For what it's worth, the OED first records "wing nut" in 1891, in</i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i>the form "wing thumb nut". Checking on "thumb nut", that goes back</i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i>to 1795 in the form "thumb nut or screw", and that is also the oldest</i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i>known use of "thumb screw", a synonym for "wing nut" in certain senses.</i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i>(Nowadays "thumbscrew" usually refers to the instrument of torture,</i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i>but the first quotation for that is 1816.)</i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i><br /></i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i>Presumption is not proof, but it seems unlikely to me that the device</i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i>should have existed for two centuries before 1795 and be either unknown</i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i>in England (the first Industrial Revolution country) or alternatively</i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i>known by some other name that the OED has no mention of.</i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i><br /></i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i>><i> Specifically I am trying to determine if it was in use before the</i></i></i></i></i></p><p><i><i><i><i><i>><i> year 1600 CE, anywhere in the world, and require citations to any><i> reference available.</i></i></i></i></i></i></i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Brian Warshaw, post: 4166762, member: 16674"]Yes. Your date of 'before 1860' is undoutedly right, according to the following. T remember a cheap form of wing-nut made out of a thin steel sheet (3/32") with the ends turned up, such that it was moved by pressing on thin turned up wings. It must have been on a toy, post WWII. Godey's Lady's Book and magazine Page 200 Volume XLIX--From July To December 1854 edited by Mrs. Sarah Josepha Buell Hale and Louis Antoine Godey. Published by Louis A Godey - Philadelphia [Reference is to a lapidary's bench] "...it is secured below the bench by a wing-nut, so as to allow the peg to be moved..." ------------------------------------- An 1832 horticultural book, "Useful and ornamental planting" Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowlege Baldwin, Cradock, Paternoster-Row, London On page 123 is the description of a seed as a "wing nut" ------------------------------------------------ Beagán a rá agus é a rá go maith --- On Tue, 3/1/11, John Cowan <[URL='http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org']cowan at mercury.ccil.org[/URL]> wrote: From: John Cowan <[URL='http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org']cowan at mercury.ccil.org[/URL]> Subject: Re: [PW] Invention/history of the wing nut To: [URL='http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org']list at project-wombat.org[/URL] Cc: [URL='http://lists.project-wombat.org/listinfo.cgi/project-wombat-open-project-wombat.org']project-wombat at lists.project-wombat.org[/URL] Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 3:06 PM Christine Connors scripsit: >[I] I am trying to determine when the wing nut was invented. (The mechanical >[I] fastener as defined by the American Heritage Dictionary as "A nut with>[I] winglike projections for thumb and forefinger leverage in turning. Also>[I] called thumbnut.") For what it's worth, the OED first records "wing nut" in 1891, in the form "wing thumb nut". Checking on "thumb nut", that goes back to 1795 in the form "thumb nut or screw", and that is also the oldest known use of "thumb screw", a synonym for "wing nut" in certain senses. (Nowadays "thumbscrew" usually refers to the instrument of torture, but the first quotation for that is 1816.) Presumption is not proof, but it seems unlikely to me that the device should have existed for two centuries before 1795 and be either unknown in England (the first Industrial Revolution country) or alternatively known by some other name that the OED has no mention of. >[I] Specifically I am trying to determine if it was in use before the >[I] year 1600 CE, anywhere in the world, and require citations to any>[I] reference available.[/I][/I][/I][/I][/I][/I][/I][/QUOTE]
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