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<p>[QUOTE="dgbjwc, post: 13146728, member: 308"]The different backstamps may indicate that different factories produced those pieces. As an example, for the white ware, the plates may have been produced by one factory, the cups and saucers by another, and completer pieces by a third. The various pieces were then assembled by T&V into a set, decorated, and sold. This wasn't an unusual arrangement.</p><p><br /></p><p>In your research were you able to find any retail outlets that T&V used? It might help in your quest to concentrate on the department stores, jewelry stores, etc. that sold the china to the consumer. Sometimes the ads for these companies would show the sets they had available. It's unlikely that the ads will actually say "Tressemann & Vogt" but they may use the word "Limoges" and/or you may recognize your pattern from the illustrations. </p><p><br /></p><p>I've got to tell you it's a real long shot. The importers didn't usually carry the same patterns for very long. Dinnerware sets were almost considered disposable as handwashing dishes often resulted in broken pieces. It was assumed that once enough pieces broke the customer would purchase a new set in a different pattern. That new pattern might reflect more modern tastes in shapes and decoration. One final note on this point would be that not all sets in the same pattern necessarily have the same shape. Importers would often complete sets from whatever pieces they had available and any two sets in the same pattern may have differences in the shapes. As an example, if I was assembling ten sets but only had six teapots in one shape I might use four teapots in a different shape to complete the remaining four sets. As you can see it can get quite messy.</p><p><br /></p><p>I would recommned acquiring a copy of the Collector's Encyclopedia of Limoges Porcelain by Mary Frank Gaston (ISBN 9-781574-321715). Copies are available on eBay for under $10. It has a very interesting section on T&V which contains useful information on the history of the company. I don't mean to discourage you but you seem to on a quest to assemble a historically accurate set. A noble goal but it's going to be difficult and may end up being a lifelong project. Best of luck![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dgbjwc, post: 13146728, member: 308"]The different backstamps may indicate that different factories produced those pieces. As an example, for the white ware, the plates may have been produced by one factory, the cups and saucers by another, and completer pieces by a third. The various pieces were then assembled by T&V into a set, decorated, and sold. This wasn't an unusual arrangement. In your research were you able to find any retail outlets that T&V used? It might help in your quest to concentrate on the department stores, jewelry stores, etc. that sold the china to the consumer. Sometimes the ads for these companies would show the sets they had available. It's unlikely that the ads will actually say "Tressemann & Vogt" but they may use the word "Limoges" and/or you may recognize your pattern from the illustrations. I've got to tell you it's a real long shot. The importers didn't usually carry the same patterns for very long. Dinnerware sets were almost considered disposable as handwashing dishes often resulted in broken pieces. It was assumed that once enough pieces broke the customer would purchase a new set in a different pattern. That new pattern might reflect more modern tastes in shapes and decoration. One final note on this point would be that not all sets in the same pattern necessarily have the same shape. Importers would often complete sets from whatever pieces they had available and any two sets in the same pattern may have differences in the shapes. As an example, if I was assembling ten sets but only had six teapots in one shape I might use four teapots in a different shape to complete the remaining four sets. As you can see it can get quite messy. I would recommned acquiring a copy of the Collector's Encyclopedia of Limoges Porcelain by Mary Frank Gaston (ISBN 9-781574-321715). Copies are available on eBay for under $10. It has a very interesting section on T&V which contains useful information on the history of the company. I don't mean to discourage you but you seem to on a quest to assemble a historically accurate set. A noble goal but it's going to be difficult and may end up being a lifelong project. Best of luck![/QUOTE]
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