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<p>[QUOTE="Bronwen, post: 1219618, member: 5833"]Don't mind me, I'm just going to mumble to myself. I feel I have seen imagery very similar to that on Bowl 1 on a piece in the Greek & Roman wing of the Met, a monumentally sized vessel, sort of kantharos shaped as I recall. Of course, so far can't come up with the right terms to find it on line. But, thinking it could be Silenus/Silenos rather than Bacchus, did find this:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/259216?&searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&deptids=13&what=Marble&ao=on&ft=silenus&offset=0&rpp=20&amp;pos=2" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/259216?&searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&deptids=13&what=Marble&ao=on&ft=silenus&offset=0&rpp=20&amp;pos=2" rel="nofollow">https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/259216?&searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&deptids=13&what=Marble&ao=on&ft=silenus&offset=0&rpp=20&amp;pos=2</a></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]214838[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Berries seem to be associated with Silenus in a way they are not with Bacchus, so maybe that's what the garlands are meant to be. The second face is more like a mask, a common enough motif.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/634951?&searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&deptids=13&ao=on&ft=silenus&offset=0&rpp=20&amp;pos=2" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/634951?&searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&deptids=13&ao=on&ft=silenus&offset=0&rpp=20&amp;pos=2" rel="nofollow">https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/634951?&searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&deptids=13&ao=on&ft=silenus&offset=0&rpp=20&amp;pos=2</a></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]214840[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>A search for bronze bowls in the Met's Greek & Roman collections produces very plain bowls, many quite small, mostly Etruscan & Cypriot:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search#!?sortBy=Relevance&department=13&q=bowl&offset=0&searchField=All&material=Bronze&perPage=20&showOnly=withImage" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search#!?sortBy=Relevance&department=13&q=bowl&offset=0&searchField=All&material=Bronze&perPage=20&showOnly=withImage" rel="nofollow">https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search#!?sortBy=Relevance&department=13&q=bowl&offset=0&searchField=All&material=Bronze&perPage=20&showOnly=withImage</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I'm scrambling trying to make sense of the imagery, the forms, the material & the oxidation. If the underlying question is whether these are Greco-Roman antiquities, my best answer is that they are not; they are meant to make you think they are.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bronwen, post: 1219618, member: 5833"]Don't mind me, I'm just going to mumble to myself. I feel I have seen imagery very similar to that on Bowl 1 on a piece in the Greek & Roman wing of the Met, a monumentally sized vessel, sort of kantharos shaped as I recall. Of course, so far can't come up with the right terms to find it on line. But, thinking it could be Silenus/Silenos rather than Bacchus, did find this: [URL]https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/259216?&searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&deptids=13&what=Marble&ao=on&ft=silenus&offset=0&rpp=20&pos=2[/URL] [ATTACH=full]214838[/ATTACH] Berries seem to be associated with Silenus in a way they are not with Bacchus, so maybe that's what the garlands are meant to be. The second face is more like a mask, a common enough motif. [URL]https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/634951?&searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&deptids=13&ao=on&ft=silenus&offset=0&rpp=20&pos=2[/URL] [ATTACH=full]214840[/ATTACH] A search for bronze bowls in the Met's Greek & Roman collections produces very plain bowls, many quite small, mostly Etruscan & Cypriot: [URL]https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search#!?sortBy=Relevance&department=13&q=bowl&offset=0&searchField=All&material=Bronze&perPage=20&showOnly=withImage[/URL] I'm scrambling trying to make sense of the imagery, the forms, the material & the oxidation. If the underlying question is whether these are Greco-Roman antiquities, my best answer is that they are not; they are meant to make you think they are.[/QUOTE]
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