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<p>[QUOTE="Bronwen, post: 7551697, member: 5833"]<img src="https://www.antiquers.com/attachments/screenshot_20230129-153048_chrome-jpg.423192/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Brought over from first thread. Adam1, are you in Britain? </p><p><br /></p><p>As AJ (Happy Birthday [USER=2844]@Any Jewelry[/USER] ) said, the ring is set with an intaglio, an engraved gem on which the design has been engraved down into the stone, so it is below the surface, the opposite of a cameo, on which the design is raised above the background surface.</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe the figure is Zeus/Jupiter/Jove, enthroned, holding a scepter, wearing a laurel or oak wreath.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]423230[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>This strikes me as being glass, but this can be difficult to determine, even with the piece in hand, much less from photos. Glass does not necessarily mean modern by any means; the Romans turned out lots of glass copies of gems first engraved in stone. The color & the way the scene is cut off at the edges in a couple of places are what seem 'off' to me for stone.</p><p><br /></p><p>The metal gives the impression of an excavated Roman iron ring. I'm really wading in out of my depth here. I have not studied ancient finger rings, just see them in the course of other pursuits, so could be completely off here, but I don't think the way this ring is constructed was used in antiquity. Something I have definitely observed in ancient rings is that no matter which direction the design runs, an oval gem is almost always (if not always; I am suspicious about the authenticity of ones that violate this rule) mounted so that the long axis is perpendicular to the length of the finger, even when that means, as it would in this case, that the scene is sideways to both the wearer & a viewer.</p><p><br /></p><p>If this is a forgery, probably dates mid-18 - early 19th century, when engraved gem collecting was a madness & fakes became so numerous the market collapsed due to buyer distrust. Another field where I know only a very little. Perhaps in countries where Roman jewellery is still unearthed fakes are still made.</p><p><br /></p><p>If I get the chance, will pull out the enormous book I have on this subject & see if I can learn more about the implications of the ring's construction & the technique used to engrave the original gem.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bronwen, post: 7551697, member: 5833"][IMG]https://www.antiquers.com/attachments/screenshot_20230129-153048_chrome-jpg.423192/[/IMG] Brought over from first thread. Adam1, are you in Britain? As AJ (Happy Birthday [USER=2844]@Any Jewelry[/USER] ) said, the ring is set with an intaglio, an engraved gem on which the design has been engraved down into the stone, so it is below the surface, the opposite of a cameo, on which the design is raised above the background surface. I believe the figure is Zeus/Jupiter/Jove, enthroned, holding a scepter, wearing a laurel or oak wreath. [ATTACH=full]423230[/ATTACH] This strikes me as being glass, but this can be difficult to determine, even with the piece in hand, much less from photos. Glass does not necessarily mean modern by any means; the Romans turned out lots of glass copies of gems first engraved in stone. The color & the way the scene is cut off at the edges in a couple of places are what seem 'off' to me for stone. The metal gives the impression of an excavated Roman iron ring. I'm really wading in out of my depth here. I have not studied ancient finger rings, just see them in the course of other pursuits, so could be completely off here, but I don't think the way this ring is constructed was used in antiquity. Something I have definitely observed in ancient rings is that no matter which direction the design runs, an oval gem is almost always (if not always; I am suspicious about the authenticity of ones that violate this rule) mounted so that the long axis is perpendicular to the length of the finger, even when that means, as it would in this case, that the scene is sideways to both the wearer & a viewer. If this is a forgery, probably dates mid-18 - early 19th century, when engraved gem collecting was a madness & fakes became so numerous the market collapsed due to buyer distrust. Another field where I know only a very little. Perhaps in countries where Roman jewellery is still unearthed fakes are still made. If I get the chance, will pull out the enormous book I have on this subject & see if I can learn more about the implications of the ring's construction & the technique used to engrave the original gem.[/QUOTE]
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