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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Fid, post: 615884, member: 7724&quot;]an alltime favorite with Jugendstil collectors are items by WMF in copper (and very often with brass handles...)</p><p>are they really from the Jugendstil era as many buyers think ? not all.</p><p>the main point - zinc coating, especially inside pitchers etc.. this process started in the 1930s only in mass production (which WMF was).</p><p>another problem with WMF is the marking. the simple birdie with or without model-no. was one of the most faked marks in its time.</p><p>here a few examples from the bay-you.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]180531[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]180532[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]180533[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]180534[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]180535[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]180536[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]180537[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]180538[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]180539[/ATTACH] </p><p>the middle one is zinced brass sheet, partly deep drawn.</p><p>they are on offer right now. prices asked from top to bottom: 110 €, 195 €, 60 €.</p><p><br /></p><p>one question remains. when were they made ? nobody has exact informations because WMF doesn&#039;t give any info for &quot;those years&quot;. one thing is certain- after 1945 the sheets got thinner, and the pitchers weighed less than before the 1930s.</p><p>to complicate things further they started to use labels in the 1950s instead of marks, especially on cheaply made deep drawn bread baskets and other simple forms, that wash off easily.</p><p>I already excuse to all the metal specialists - yawnyawn I know.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie59" alt=":kiss:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> but it&#039;s raining outside and nothing to do.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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