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<p>[QUOTE="2manybooks, post: 9439749, member: 8267"]What, exactly, are you concerned about being "real"? If you are focused on the signature - no, it is reproduced in the engraving, a common format for such 19th century portraits.</p><p><br /></p><p>It appears to be a mixed method engraving. Have you examined it under magnification? I cannot see a plate mark (the impression created around an image when the engraved plate is pressed into the paper), but it might be under the mat.</p><p><br /></p><p>The image appears to be based on a photograph published as a carte de visite by D. Appleton & Co in 1861. The reversal would be a product of the copying process.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]438513[/ATTACH] </p><p><a href="https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&insightstoken=bcid_TptP--pKEp0FNQ*ccid_m0%2F76koS&form=SBIIRP&iss=VSI&sbisrc=ImgPaste&idpbck=1&sbifsz=1552+x+1164+%c2%b7+15.68+kB+%c2%b7+png&sbifnm=image.png&thw=1552&thh=1164&ptime=94&dlen=21412&expw=640&exph=1000&selectedindex=11&id=5F5BD999A52FF7DA32711E51CFFCABC8C98343CA&ccid=jI0DbtrZ&vt=2&sim=11&simid=608009525250042727&ck=11574DF2C45864EBA009A7E607F9EC5C&thid=OIP.jI0DbtrZhrohfDV5mMn4cgHaLk&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fdygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net%2Fi%2F22785%2F21087677_1.jpg%3Fv%3D8D1D315B189E990&cdnurl=https%3A%2F%2Fth.bing.com%2Fth%2Fid%2FR.8c8d036edad986ba217c357998c9f872%3Frik%3DykODycir%252fM9RHg%26pid%3DImgRaw%26r%3D0&pivotparams=insightsToken%3Dccid_TybaxIdT*cp_D6C2103611F136F0944725BE27F0BBAC*mid_06A7FFDDCACAE6DD75B4300E805BC89EDC72ED9E*simid_607999337590240684*thid_OIP.TybaxIdTZY8viFxqKWsjVwHaLX" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&insightstoken=bcid_TptP--pKEp0FNQ*ccid_m0%2F76koS&form=SBIIRP&iss=VSI&sbisrc=ImgPaste&idpbck=1&sbifsz=1552+x+1164+%c2%b7+15.68+kB+%c2%b7+png&sbifnm=image.png&thw=1552&thh=1164&ptime=94&dlen=21412&expw=640&exph=1000&selectedindex=11&id=5F5BD999A52FF7DA32711E51CFFCABC8C98343CA&ccid=jI0DbtrZ&vt=2&sim=11&simid=608009525250042727&ck=11574DF2C45864EBA009A7E607F9EC5C&thid=OIP.jI0DbtrZhrohfDV5mMn4cgHaLk&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fdygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net%2Fi%2F22785%2F21087677_1.jpg%3Fv%3D8D1D315B189E990&cdnurl=https%3A%2F%2Fth.bing.com%2Fth%2Fid%2FR.8c8d036edad986ba217c357998c9f872%3Frik%3DykODycir%252fM9RHg%26pid%3DImgRaw%26r%3D0&pivotparams=insightsToken%3Dccid_TybaxIdT*cp_D6C2103611F136F0944725BE27F0BBAC*mid_06A7FFDDCACAE6DD75B4300E805BC89EDC72ED9E*simid_607999337590240684*thid_OIP.TybaxIdTZY8viFxqKWsjVwHaLX" rel="nofollow">https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&insightstoken=bcid_TptP--pKEp0FNQ*ccid_m0/76koS&form=SBIIRP&iss=VSI&sbisrc=ImgPaste&idpbck=1&sbifsz=1552+x+1164+·+15.68+kB+·+png&sbifnm=image.png&thw=1552&thh=1164&ptime=94&dlen=21412&expw=640&exph=1000&selectedindex=11&id=5F5BD999A52FF7DA32711E51CFFCABC8C98343CA&ccid=jI0DbtrZ&vt=2&sim=11&simid=608009525250042727&ck=11574DF2C45864EBA009A7E607F9EC5C&thid=OIP.jI0DbtrZhrohfDV5mMn4cgHaLk&mediaurl=https://dygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net/i/22785/21087677_1.jpg?v=8D1D315B189E990&cdnurl=https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.8c8d036edad986ba217c357998c9f872?rik=ykODycir%2fM9RHg&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&pivotparams=insightsToken=ccid_TybaxIdT*cp_D6C2103611F136F0944725BE27F0BBAC*mid_06A7FFDDCACAE6DD75B4300E805BC89EDC72ED9E*simid_607999337590240684*thid_OIP.TybaxIdTZY8viFxqKWsjVwHaLX</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.gilderlehrman.org/collection/glc08870" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.gilderlehrman.org/collection/glc08870" rel="nofollow">https://www.gilderlehrman.org/collection/glc08870</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The paper should be machine made "wove" paper by the mid 19th century. It appears to be in very good condition, which would be unusual for a print of this period made for display in a home or office. It may have been published in a book/portfolio of portraits, a popular format in the 19th century, which could have protected it from damage (until a "breaker" dismantled the book for sale). I have not found other examples of this particular engraving, although I found a number of variations with the image reversed again, with additional elements surrounding the central portrait.</p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=1476]@Debora[/USER] and [USER=56]@moreotherstuff[/USER] may have more to say.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="2manybooks, post: 9439749, member: 8267"]What, exactly, are you concerned about being "real"? If you are focused on the signature - no, it is reproduced in the engraving, a common format for such 19th century portraits. It appears to be a mixed method engraving. Have you examined it under magnification? I cannot see a plate mark (the impression created around an image when the engraved plate is pressed into the paper), but it might be under the mat. The image appears to be based on a photograph published as a carte de visite by D. Appleton & Co in 1861. The reversal would be a product of the copying process. [ATTACH=full]438513[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&insightstoken=bcid_TptP--pKEp0FNQ*ccid_m0%2F76koS&form=SBIIRP&iss=VSI&sbisrc=ImgPaste&idpbck=1&sbifsz=1552+x+1164+%c2%b7+15.68+kB+%c2%b7+png&sbifnm=image.png&thw=1552&thh=1164&ptime=94&dlen=21412&expw=640&exph=1000&selectedindex=11&id=5F5BD999A52FF7DA32711E51CFFCABC8C98343CA&ccid=jI0DbtrZ&vt=2&sim=11&simid=608009525250042727&ck=11574DF2C45864EBA009A7E607F9EC5C&thid=OIP.jI0DbtrZhrohfDV5mMn4cgHaLk&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fdygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net%2Fi%2F22785%2F21087677_1.jpg%3Fv%3D8D1D315B189E990&cdnurl=https%3A%2F%2Fth.bing.com%2Fth%2Fid%2FR.8c8d036edad986ba217c357998c9f872%3Frik%3DykODycir%252fM9RHg%26pid%3DImgRaw%26r%3D0&pivotparams=insightsToken%3Dccid_TybaxIdT*cp_D6C2103611F136F0944725BE27F0BBAC*mid_06A7FFDDCACAE6DD75B4300E805BC89EDC72ED9E*simid_607999337590240684*thid_OIP.TybaxIdTZY8viFxqKWsjVwHaLX[/URL] [URL]https://www.gilderlehrman.org/collection/glc08870[/URL] The paper should be machine made "wove" paper by the mid 19th century. It appears to be in very good condition, which would be unusual for a print of this period made for display in a home or office. It may have been published in a book/portfolio of portraits, a popular format in the 19th century, which could have protected it from damage (until a "breaker" dismantled the book for sale). I have not found other examples of this particular engraving, although I found a number of variations with the image reversed again, with additional elements surrounding the central portrait. [USER=1476]@Debora[/USER] and [USER=56]@moreotherstuff[/USER] may have more to say.[/QUOTE]
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