Featured Help Id and date an old big oriental vase, signed

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Gianluca72, Aug 30, 2018.

  1. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    Hi, it is indeed Satsuma made most likely made in Kyoto - Awata. Looking at the style I would think this dates to the 1920s-30s. I agree that these are just rised enamels and not Moriage... Many of these vases have no maker's mark on the bottom, but just a number, and I believe this one too. I am just not sure which number it is...
    By the way, I am not Greek, I just happen to speak Greek, lol!
     
  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Oops!:sorry: But no mention of the McKinley Act.;)
    Glad to see you again, I hope your absence was for a good reason.
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    Hi, yes, I was on a nice (Greek) island and not much in the internet. However, holidays are over now...
     
  4. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    very interesting info, thanks .

    Do you mean a Kyoto Satsuma, something like a Gyozan style, or maybe near to a Kinkozan last works (1927) Awata ... ?

    Yes it could be a number the nearest number it could be " 7 "
    https://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/七

    i send the rotated photo

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  5. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    There were many producers in Awata who made such wares, without a signature it will be impossible to find the maker...
     
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  6. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Yes yes I understand that

    It's a pity for me, a so large amazing vase, I cannot attribuite a maker.

    Btw I got other interesting elements from you all, like dating, place, and technique..

    One question only please.

    That Gold trimming is done with real gold on that time or it's only a golden color ?

    Thanks
     
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  7. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    Just wanted to say that I used to have two six foot Satsuma vases with no markings at all. I have forgotten what my Asian friend/mentor said they were.
    The mind has eroded a bit. However when I moved from Brooklyn they went to auction. I paid 350 dollars for the pair in 1962. In 1988 they sold for 5 thousand.
    I miss Miss Miskoto so much.
    greg
     
  8. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    @Any Jewelry
    Please note that in my explanation, I said I was in the US so if it was made for the US market it would have been marked

    I know this is a global board, but I unfortunately, think from a US viewpoint.
     
  9. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Before I did not enter my question well.
    I'd like to learn if the gold decorations are "gold-colored" or if it's pure gold trimming.
    At that time, they used pure gold to decorate? Or was it a simple golden color?

    Thanks for your answers
     
  10. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

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  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I think we all think from our viewpoints, which reflect our cultural background. But we will take you by the hand every now and then and show you our world.;)
    Nice and sunny where I am:
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    And back to you, hope you enjoyed the trip:):
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  13. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Wow I enjoyed so much traveling around the planet
    Btw since the moment that all of us are able to see the same sun, it means that we are not so much far, each other .. :happy:
     
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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    And we all share that same small planet. We just think it is big.:)
     
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  15. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    The fired gold on ceramic pieces are real gold. The silver color which does not tarnish is Platinum. If real silver they would tarnish over a short time. If they do tarnish it is real silver. Any gold colored paint would stop being shiny after a while.
    They have been firing gold of ceramics for centuries.
    greg
     
  16. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Wow this is a great info for me, thanks so much for your time I have learned something very interesting today
     
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