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Featured Souvenir fan menus from Admiral's Sayonara Party - need some help w/ stuff written on both.

Discussion in 'Ephemera and Photographs' started by bercrystal, Aug 4, 2017.

  1. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    None of my business but... if you're planning on selling this item, I'm not sure how much additional information would be needed to do so.

    Debora
     
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  2. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice


    I was going to make the same comment on another thread...............a low value item that everyone seemed excited about because they could possibly trace it's ownership back a few generations.

    But I refrained, because.......well, just because I think the hunt is more exciting than the selling to most here!

    I believe that if we placed six members in a room with six pocket sized items, gave them internet access, and no promise of reward, within 6 days they could tell us what the original owner's name was, how many children they had, where they were buried, and what they were wearing on 27 April 1897.........................



    I love this place.....................
     
  3. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    You are both probably correct. :bag::bag:

    I know I am not alone when I confess that it makes me a little crazy to not know everything about an item like this before I can put it up for sale. :brb::brb::banghead::banghead::rolleyes::rolleyes::D

    Now the question, which category do you think these might gather the most attention? I was sort of leaning towards either Japanese souvenirs or possibly even autographs. :confused::confused:

    Thank you again for all of your help!! :kiss::kiss:
     
  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Vintage menus or vintage travel souvenirs. The Tokyo Hilton might even be interested. They do have a small archive of items that date back to the hotel's early days.

    http://recruit.hiltonhotels.jp/about/history

    Debora
     
  5. yourturntoloveit

    yourturntoloveit Well-Known Member

    To me at least . . . a short reply of "who knows, who cares" was not called for. And obviously there was the initial thought of "who" not "what" the word "Admiral" referred to. Sometimes information shared here may not be in the "background/history" of a particular object but . . . . ;)

    I suppose, of course, if someone posts and doesn't want any (seemingly) extraneous comments that poster could say in their initial posts: "And don't come around with any personal, business, or other past experience(s) because it is this object and this object alone and if you know speak up and if you don't know keep your daggum opinions/observations/tales/life experiences to yourself." :rolleyes: :shame: ;)
     
  6. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice


    I am not quite certain what remarks you are referring to. I haven't read anything that even implies an attitude such as that. By ALL MEANS, if a poster doesn't wish to have any comments but those relevant to their item posted they can request such.

    If my contributions were uncalled for I apologize. I do not have tremendous experience with "antiques" other than having been raise among them and from having lived "around" for quite some time. Usually if I post something that seems unrelated I am trying to put the item in context. That is part of social archeology and that is where my education focused. Mea Culpa................
     
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  7. yourturntoloveit

    yourturntoloveit Well-Known Member

    Mansons, your contributions were not, to my way of thinking, "uncalled for."

    I wondered if others thought my one post (#11) on this thread was "uncalled for" with first me and then DH "explaining" how companies (seeking to do business in/with a foreign country) "operate" and how those companies (and their representatives) can be received and "celebrated" in that foreign country. ;)
     
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  8. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    Why assume the person was the writer? Fumiko is a first name. Could be anyone. I also agree this has no military connection.
     
  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The Japanese texts are probably something like signatures of the business contact, the translator, the secretary, etc.
    As a fan collector I might add that if you want to sell these, the terms 'menu fan', 'advertising fan' and 'souvenir fan' could attract budding fan collectors.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2017
  10. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Others may disagree but... I would also sell them separately. IMO they don't have greater value as a pair.

    Debora
     
  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

  12. toomanytocount

    toomanytocount Boredom is a sin.

    That is such a pertinent topic. Today with all the internet access, people can come up with all kinds of information, what they forget is that it is not necessarily accurate. Nothing is full proof including reference books, old or new.
    How much information do you need to sell something? Will it make a difference in your final value?
    All depends on the item, buyer's are much more informed than they ever were. Sellers on the other hand, even respected auction houses, will put items for sale for a $100. (lol) that I have seen sold many many times on Ebay 10 years ago, for small values and correctly so. Such as those mass produced Chinese porcelain vases made during late 20th century.
    I have been questioned with great enthusiasm by owners/sellers, who needed to know what they had and how much it was worth, in the few decorative art categories I am well versed in. The problem is often all you can provide is the approximate date, and country where the piece came from. If there is a mark, then that can help further identification, if known.
    If you can't provide all the information - there is a often a hostile reaction, if you say it's recent and not worth much - there is a hostile reaction, if you say I don't know - there is a hostile reaction.
    In the end, often the buyer/collector will know more than the seller does, if not a collectible, then it is about the originality, rarity, or it just 'tickles the fancy' of someone who sees it and wants it.
    There is a healthy skepticism about internet sale information, and people don't want to read a long paragraph as to why this item is worth that much. That is my experience.
    I could give a lot of examples I have experienced with this. In the end. Too much information can be a turn off. Give the basics when you sell, and lots of pictures including marks if there are any, that is the approach most people appreciate. :p
     
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  13. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Very good post @toomanytocount -- We have seen all of those kinds of reactions here from questioners, but also... some of us (including me) do go pretty far in providing information. I generally phrase my information in saying "this site says" or "this book says" or I give a link that I assume somebody will be able to assess even beyond my initial assessment. But thinking about it, it would be good to be more explicit about something I always assume: that the person who is asking will have to judge through multiple sources whether or not they think the information given is accurate.

    As for giving too much information, I think it's up to the person asking the question to indicate how much they want, and if people give them more than they want, to tell them they already have enough. We do have people here who do that. However, some people are asking questions for their own information on an item they want to keep. In those cases they may want even more information. And you can't always tell from the way the question is asked. So I think it should be up to the questioner to indicate what they want.
     
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  14. toomanytocount

    toomanytocount Boredom is a sin.

    @Figtree3
    Thank you, and I enjoyed your own perception of this topic.
    I agree, there are different reasons for wanting to know, I made a point of focusing on the 'reselling owner', rather than the new 'keeper owner', who is usually more curious about provenance and any background information available, which has been me as well. :)
     
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  15. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    And my point, made above, is that some people are just CURIOUS! Now that society has instant access to so much information, the curious take advantage of it and KNOW or WANT TO KNOW things that are immaterial to others...............and none of "us" are entitled, or qualified, to pass judgement on that..................yes, "we" can ask if they are still looking for more information, and "we" can ask why...............and if "we" disagree with the responses "we" can just wander off into the sunset and deal with those whose goals "we" accept.
     
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