Featured Winged cart/seat? What's this about?

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  1. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    Curious detail to this bowl. It appears to be a man seated on a winged cart or seat, handing objects to a woman carrying a torch.

    Is this just a chinoiserie scene set against houses and pagodas. If so what are the two figures supposed to represent. And is the seat a throne or a truncated rickshaw??

    I'm losing the plot on this :banghead:

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  2. desperate_fun

    desperate_fun Irregular Member

    Triptolemos in his Winged Chariot
     
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  3. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    I'm in awe!

    Never even heard of the guy before.
     
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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The lady with the torch is probably Demeter, burning away the soul of Demophon, the brother of Triptolemos, to make him immortal.
     
  5. desperate_fun

    desperate_fun Irregular Member

    @rhiwfield

    I had never heard of him before either. I used google images for "Winged Chariot" and that came up.
     
  6. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    I had searched with different combinations but not chariot!

    Should have listened to my wife, she thought it looked like something from Olympia

    It all seems to fit!

    But why cant I find it as a blue white pattern?
     
  7. Christmasjoy

    Christmasjoy Well-Known Member

    Is that floe blue or just blurry ?? .. Joy.
     
  8. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    Joy, the glaze is badly worn, not sure it is flow blue but a very deep blue, Steve
    Ps the border blue on white is camera bleed
     
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  9. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    Where is my comment???????????????????????? :p
     
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  10. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    Not sure King.

    Were you about to state your undying admiration for my photo skills?
     
  11. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    Ummmmmmmmmmm........
    ..ok...............
    YES!
    ;)
     
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  12. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

  13. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    Not sure, not marked as such.

    Blue tinge to glaze.

    Found with mostly pre 1850 blue and white
     
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  14. tie.dye.cat

    tie.dye.cat Well-Known Member

    I am flabbergasted. I aspire to know one tenth of what some of you all seem to know. Guess I should have paid more attention in history class!
     
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  15. pearlsnblume

    pearlsnblume Well-Known Member

    Ditto for me.

    The only Demeter I knew of was a cologne company that makes some fun fragrances and such.
     
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  16. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The cameo I put on evelyb30's thread asking about the mark & stone on a silver ring is Demeter huffing off in her serpent-drawn chariot after being surprised in the middle of the night by his mother Metanira while burning away Deiphon's (Demophon's) mortality, based on the Poniatowski gem. Another of the gems shows Demeter sending Triptolemus out to teach agriculture to the world in that same chariot.

    When her daughter Persephone is abducted by Hades & vanishes from the face of the earth, the disconsolate Demeter takes up two torches & sets off to look for her. This is where torches come into the tale, not from the Demophon incident, which occurs during her search. They become one of her attributes, a way of indicating she is not some anonymous veiled lady. In this relief you can see the wings are attached to the serpents that propel the car. (Raphael gave Saturn the same kind of draft animals in his Days of the Week series.)

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    So is this the two of them in China?!
     
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  17. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    Bronwen, thanks for all the background

    It does seem incongruous having Greek mythology gods/demi gods set against a Chinese landscape!
     
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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Just proof of how far a winged serpent-drawn chariot will get you.
     
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